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MiP Chapter 28: Exploit?
🕑 Added 2023-09-05 18:41:26 +0000 UTCWith his soul's urgent problem dealt with, Carlos emerged from his meditations, opening his eyes and turning his attention outward again, to find Amber playfully experimenting with her new spell. She spoke the incantation, and a fork from their breakfast tray zipped across the room to clatter against the far wall, before falling down to the floor.
"Aww. It didn't hit point first like I wanted it to. Not good for throwing weapons." Despite the disappointment in what she said, Amber was smiling and almost bouncing on her seat in excitement.
Carlos smiled and nodded to her. "I'm glad you're having fun. Did you activate any synergy links?"
"Yes! Well, kind of. Not having the right synergy between spells database and mana manipulator was bothering me, so I fixed that. Instead of meditating on a spell concept until I have it so perfectly right that it condenses on its own, I gather a piece of mana and push the concept into it. Learning a spell goes a lot faster that way."
"Hmm." Carlos hesitated briefly. "I'm concerned that a spell you learn that way might be flawed, inefficient or less effective, from not having the concept exactly correct."
Amber nodded, unperturbed. "I considered that too, but the mana pushes back on concepts that aren't quite right. It actually helps me figure out the precisely correct concept faster, because it gives me more feedback on what is still wrong. When I finish, I don't actually need to push for the concept to merge into the mana I gathered for it."
"Ah. That's good, then. I'll do that one next. First, though, I should tell you about the problem I found and how to fix it."
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Soon, Amber and Carlos had each duplicated each other's work on fixing up their souls, and Carlos had learned the rest of levitation with record speed. The new applications of his reflex improver and mana manipulator to the process of learning spell words cut the time required down to about half of what it used to be. The levitation spell had a pair of new wrinkles in how a parameter's value was determined, but those were barely speed bumps to him. Firstly, the baseline amount of force to lift with was set to match the target's weight instead of being a fixed value. Secondly, the amount of force could be adjusted by his intent for as long as the spell lasted.
A spoon floated in the air in front of Carlos, rising and falling as he directed it, and he idly tapped it with a finger to set it spinning. With nothing but open air to slow it down, it would keep spinning for a long time if he let it. It was also slowly drifting to the side in the direction that he'd tapped it, and though he could raise and lower it just by mentally focusing on his intent to do so, a full minute of attempting to stop either its spin or its drift in the same manner had no effect at all. The purely vertical direction of the spell's exertion of force was apparently an inherent and immutable aspect of the effect. Not too surprising, considering its keyword translated as "lift".
"Hmm." Carlos glanced toward the floor as another thought occurred to him. Could the lift force be adjusted to a negative value, making it push down instead? He focused on the idea of lowering it, and the spoon obligingly descended, but still not even as fast as a simple gravity-fueled drop would go. He reached out his hand and took hold of the spoon, holding it in place and feeling for its apparent weight, while experimenting with his conceptualization of intent. All adjustments he'd tried so far were relatively minor, changing the lifting force by only a fraction of the spoon's actual weight, but now he wanted to decrease it by an amount actually larger than the spoon's weight.
He tried focusing on pushing the spoon down, but the spell simply did not respond to that at all. He focused on reducing the lifting force by greater and greater amounts, and the spoon felt less weightless in his hand, but that was all. He frowned, thinking. Reducing force felt like the wrong approach; it was a concept with an inherent limit at zero. In the incantation, the force was defined as the mathematical addition of a measured weight and a modifier controlled by his intent. When he reduced the lifting force, technically what he was doing was making that modifier negative. What he wanted was to make it more negative. Much more.
Carlos focused on that concept of a large negative modifier in the math, and pushed that into his active connection to the spell, and he felt something new in response. The spell's mana had outright ignored his attempts to control spin or horizontal motion, but for this he felt... resistance? His new intent matched the framework of the spell's structure, but at the same time would have a result directly opposite of what the spell was normally intended to do.
At that realization, Carlos paused to consider. Intent based constraints on spell behavior might guard against potential bugs, assuming that the analogy of spell incantations to computer programming was as fully applicable as it seemed, and the consequences of a buggy spell were unpredictable and might be severe. Discarding such a safeguard could cause problems later. On the other hand, breaking such constraints could give him capabilities he wouldn't otherwise have, that might be useful and important tools.
He didn't know if anyone had tried this before. Was this kind of intent based resistance a normal thing that mages knew about? Was it a terrible warning of dire consequences? Was it just a cautionary warning that he was doing something non standard? He really should ask Trinlen, but he'd have to go back to the academy to do that, and Trinlen might be busy in a class somewhere. Amber might know, but this seemed likely to be obscure, beyond the scope of easily acquired books. Still, it was worth asking.
"Amber?"
She looked up from the levitation incantation she was studying. "Hmm?"
"Have you ever heard or read about a spell, I'm not sure how to describe it, resisting or... objecting to an unusual parameter value?"
Amber blinked. "Uh. That sounds bizarre. What did you try to do?"
"You see that parameter formula?" Carlos pointed at it on the paper Amber was holding. "I tried to set the intent adjustment to a decrease larger than the object's weight."
Amber blinked again. "What? But- what? That makes no sense. Negative force? What would that even mean?"
"Force in the opposite direction, of course." Carlos kept his voice calm and patient. This principle might be a basic part of physics classes on Earth, but he didn't know if physics classes even existed in this world.
Amber cocked her head and looked back at the written incantation again. "Huh. So, pushing down instead of up. And the spell's mana recognized and understood it, but... objected, you said?" She shook her head. "I've never read about intent having a role anything like that, sorry. Soul structures are all about intent, both for making them and using them, especially non mage structures, but for spells intent is supposed to be limited to targeting and the roles the incantation explicitly gives it." She chewed her lip for a moment. "Well, if intent is making itself apparent as a factor here, maybe you could try feeling it out for more information? See if your comprehension aid can make more sense of it?"
Carlos nodded. "I'll give that a try. I'd rather have an expert explain it, but..." He shrugged. They didn't have an expert available, so he'd have to make do. He returned his focus to the spoon and his levitation spell, which was running low on the mana he'd put into it, pushed the concept of a large negative force adjustment, along with a desire to know more details about the objection to it, and consciously directed his comprehension aid to focus on figuring this out. He felt the same resistance and objection as before, and with it came an external feeling of wrongness. He mentally probed at that feeling, sending a few thoughts and concerns at it to see if it responded, and slowly a few fragments of understanding came to him. The spell would accept the instruction and do as he intended if he insisted on it, but it persisted in pushing a feeling of wrongness at him. Frustratingly, he couldn't get any feedback about whether there might be consequences or side effects, or why this was wrong.
Well, he was doing this with an amount of mana so small that it couldn't even support a spoon for more than ten minutes or so. How bad could the consequences of screwing up with that little mana possibly be? Carlos hesitated for a moment. He really hoped he hadn't just jinxed himself with that thought. He resolved to be very careful, ready to stop in an instant if anything bad started happening, and pressed forward with his intent. He mentally acknowledged the warning, and even noted that he wanted to continue receiving such warnings in the future, but in this one instance he wanted to override it.
The feeling of wrongness being pushed at Carlos's mind grew stronger, but the spell obeyed his mental command. The spoon in his hand suddenly pressed down with several times its normal weight. He released the spoon, and it slammed into the floor at high speed, much faster than any normal fall, rattling loudly for a moment but not bouncing. He leaned forward and reached down to take hold of it again, and felt it resist being lifted, like it was pinned under something heavier. He turned his attention back to the levitation spell to release its downward push, and stopped and stared in sudden shock.
The spell's supply of unused mana had grown larger. Exerting negative force had... cost negative mana? Replenishing mana while actively achieving an effect? The feeling of wrongness grew much, much greater, far more intense, and he let the spell go back to its default effect of precisely canceling the spoon's weight.
Carlos sat back up, closed his mouth that he hadn't realized had dropped open, and put a hand on his chin, thinking hard. This was a frankly incredible discovery, with theoretically world-shaking potential if exploited to the fullest. It was also setting off all kinds of mental alarms, his instincts raising his hackles and screaming at him that this was too good to be true. Much too good to be true. It was conceivable that this whole world was a computer simulation, and he'd found a bug that caused the simulating computer to generate limitless mana at literally no cost, but he thought that was unlikely. Anyone who could create such a simulation, and do a rigorous enough job of it to prevent any noticeable bugs in all the time he'd been in this world before this moment, would almost certainly also catch and fix such an obvious and simple bug in the magic system.
Then again, there have been some astounding whoppers of oversights that went unnoticed for a long time in highly sophisticated software made by expert professionals. The infamous Heartbleed bug came to mind. So, there was precedent for such a mistake despite otherwise high quality professional work. Even if that were the case, though, relying on it would be risky. The hypothetical maintainers of this hypothetical world simulation might notice and patch the bug, and he'd suddenly lose his greatest tool without warning.
And if he was right and was not in a computer simulation? Then that mana had to come from somewhere. Mana was a limited resource, and if "create more mana without limit" were something mana could do then surely someone would have exploited that to conquer the world already, right?
Come to think of it, could he detect where this bit of extra mana had come from? Carlos focused his mana sensor on the levitation spell's mana, and on the area around it, but aside from sensing how much was there, all he got was a vague sense of unease so mild he wondered if he might be imagining it. He momentarily switched the spell to pushing down again, just long enough to get a glimpse of its mana supply increasing again, but still shook his head in frustration. He'd sensed something happening, but couldn't make out any details. He needed a more developed mana sensor. He needed more soul development in general, really. They both did.
Carlos sighed, and mentally put the problem aside. He would study it later, when he was properly prepared with tools advanced enough to actually detect the details he needed. And he would do it carefully. Very carefully. ...Maybe he could explore more about ways to trigger it, though? That feeling of objection and wrongness from the spell's mana was impossible to not notice, and very different from its reaction to ideas that just won't work. As long as he refrained from overriding the objection, he'd never actually trigger the exploit.
The "throw" spell Amber had picked was an obvious candidate for another way to trigger this negative mana use exploit. It was another spell that applied a specified force to an object, so the same principle of specifying a negative force should work. Or so Carlos thought, until he read the spell incantation. It didn't actually have a "force" parameter to the effect at all, just direction. After some thought, he realized this was because it just spent all the spell's power, all the mana supplied for it to use, all at once in a single momentary shove.
He went back to the levitation spell, and considered. First, to gauge whether there even were any firm safeguards at all against this exploit, he should try the most direct and blatant way to do it: hard coding a negative force value into the spell. He called the levitation spell he'd already learned to mind, mentally substituted the entire force parameter value with the number negative 10, and... Nothing. The mana he gathered for learning this alteration of the spell simply did not react to it. There was no feeling of resistance, or objection. The bond between concept and mana just didn't even begin to form. Carlos sighed in relief. He had apparently found some obscure corner case, not a wide open gaping hole in the system.
Next up, could he take out the math and baseline amount of lift from the force value? That would make a spell that would wait for him to will it to action before it would do anything at all. Carlos learned that variation of the spell easily, and cast it on the table knife that was still resting on their breakfast tray. He mentally pushed at the spell to lift the knife up, and it took him a few seconds to ramp up enough to actually raise it off the tray. He let it gently fall back down, and then focused on the idea of a negative force just like he had before... And the spell outright ignored that instruction, just as completely as if he'd tried to make it push horizontally.
So, reasoning through his results, Carlos could pull mana from nowhere, or rather from somewhere or something worryingly unknown, with certain requirements:
- The spell had to have a numerical magnitude parameter of some kind.
- A negative magnitude had to be meaningful for it.
- He had to set the magnitude value as an adjustable mathematical formula that normally had a positive value but could legitimately be decreased.
- He had to specifically conceptualize the decrease in mathematical formulaic terms.
- And he had to ignore and override an unnerving feeling of profound wrongness.
Carlos thought back and reviewed some of the other spells Trinlen had talked about before settling on the set he'd written down for them. Telekinesis, flight, the classic fireball, and many more. Trinlen had dismissed most of them for requiring too much mana, but he had also set aside some for being too complex for novices. Telekinesis, for example, was actually a combination of effects with several adjustable parameters that the caster had to coordinate in tandem to produce the desired result, and Trinlen wanted to be there to supervise when they started practicing it. Carlos wasn't sure whether the acknowledged troublemaker actually thought they needed supervision for it, or if he just wanted to witness their initial mistakes for his own amusement, but either way he didn't want to quibble about it with possibly their best potential teacher.
In any case, Carlos had noticed that more advanced spells tended to have greater flexibility. If you wanted to reverse the direction of your flight spell that could move you in any direction, you would naturally change the direction parameter, not try to set it to a negative speed. For all the spells he could think of where the concept was even applicable, the effect of a negative magnitude could be achieved more naturally by changing another parameter instead, plus most of them wouldn't have the math formula trick needed to bypass the normal block against negative values. It might have other limitations too, maybe even only working with levitation's lift effect.
He felt tension releasing from his shoulders and arms as he relaxed, suddenly feeling a lot less nervous. He was still very concerned about what he'd discovered, but the requirements for making it even possible were obtuse enough that probably few other people knew about it, or even no one at all. Amber's confusion about the idea of a negative force was especially promising in that regard, if her knowledge of such things was meaningfully representative about this world's knowledge of physics.
Carlos stretched, and looked around the room. He noticed the sunny spot from the sun shining through the window had moved considerably, and was getting close to the window. He looked back and forth between the window and the bright area on the floor, contemplating the angle that implied for where the sun was, and what time that meant it was now.
"Uh, Amber? I think we'd better get going. It's approaching noon if I'm not mistaken, and we need to get back to Varlinden."
Comments
Dan Jones
sounds like Carlos has discovered away to generate negative energy. If he knows some physics maybe he can make a worm hole and keep it open, then use negative energy to accelerate one end of the worm hole to relativistic speeds and make a time machine.
Joseph Blake
Agreed. The main question this leaves is "Why is mana from environment to mage bad?"
Bryan L
It's sort of like "absorbing" gravity for energy w/o knowing if there's a consequence... If "wherever Carlos Is" _isn't_ a simulation, it could be like sacrificing matter to energy down a black hole. Our own reality _looks_ like a simulation because it follows "computaitonal" rules so this could be level 2 of the simulation or more worryingly, level 2 of actual reality we get "reincarnated to." Either is alarming. Their reality could be something more than an ancestor simulation where he graduates to the next level, it could be a Tipler / Omega Oracle operating around a Birch World, with "Magic" semantics being the forgotten interface to advanced tech the occupants lost the knowledge of some uncountable eon ago and they conceptualize it as "Magic." Said exploit may not be just an error in a simulation's code but actually tipping the careful ballance on a matter to energy exchange in some megastructire finely balanced on a razor's edge. Sort of like the Void in Peter F Hamilton's spinoff of the Commonwealth series Void Trilogy and Chronicles of the Fallers where everything we view as "magic" or "telekinesis" or w/e has an energy cost of expanding the black hole at the center of the universe as people collectively use it more.....
Pheonixarcher
That’s a real thing in a few different stories, so it’s a viable answer
Eric W
There's almost certainly a downside to this exploit due to the "wrongness" he feels. Probably something like he's absorbing mana from the environment, but since it's not his own mana it's poisoning him in some way.
Pheonixarcher
Figure out where the mana is coming from before spamming the shit out of it. Please don’t crash the universe with buffer overflow attacks or that thing in Minecraft where it crashes because it runs out of memory.
tsanth
What if the "free" mana is coming from something akin to a memory leak? Perhaps applying a negative value is futzing with some old kludgy code in the fabric of the universe, and the sense of wrongness is coming from his structure "knowing" that this is potentially world-ending stuff. OTOH, maybe it'd be possible to exploit this by applying the negative-force levitation spell to Purple, so that he could soak up all the "free" mana for a short period...
Douglas Miller
Let's say X = 5, just for illustration purposes. By default Y = 0, making the spell push up with force 5 + 0 = 5. If you set Y = 5, the spell pushes up with force 5 + 5 = 10, raising the object higher. If you set Y = -5, the spell pushes up with force 5 + -5 = 0. In this case, the spell does literally nothing. If you set Y = -30, the spell pushes up with force 5 + -30 = -25. The fact that the sum of X and Y is negative makes it actually push down instead of up.
Carl Mason
I don't think I understood the lift generation equation described in this chapter. If base value X is positive and is altered by effect value Y which is negative in order to generate lift, how does increasing the value of Y invert the force vector? Should it not cause the object affected to simply rocket into space?
Gio
That's gibberish. You can't get to 0 kelvin in our reality.
Markell
This kinda feels like negative temperatures. Where you incidentally can cool atoms so much that the way they vibrates inverts and the more energy you supply on cooling the system the HOTTER the material gets.
Brandon C
Okay, hear me out: Positive mana=From mage to environment. Negative mana=From environment to mage. Only way I can get imagine without entering simulation hypotheses.
Carl Mason
This exploit could also be used to drain reality out of the universe and doom us all. He really needs to figure out where the extra mana is coming from before he decides to exploit it.
TerrestrialOverlord
I don't think anyone would notice that is not at a deity level, after all it's a very non-intuitive physics-based exploit. What bothers me more is the altruism. Sure Amber helped him a little at the beginning and he's already made her a noble; something she likely could only dream of in a dream within another dream where that would have happened. Unless they become a proper item it just summons future trouble. Are they going to also share this knowledge with their teacher? This unlimited mana exploit could be applied to power the core multiple times faster, if they find a way to drain or link the mana from the spell
Crim2582
Anyone taking bets on Archmage Mallern Sandaras making an unofficial "What the hell did you do?" visit? If that old man ain't pulling a Yoda I'll eat my left sock.
Duncan Thomas
Hack the planet!
AlexanderF.
I think that the statics and dynamics might be a good bedtime reading for Carlos. Hope he gets his hand on a book :-)
AlexanderF.
Standing upright is a combination of two forces: Gravitation (pull down) and Muskels pushing upwards (reaction force from the ground pushing upwards). Both are positive and the sum of both vectors is 0 and the system of a still standing body is in equilibrium.
Commander Phoenix
That makes a lot of sense. If we assume that the lift function acts explicitly against gravity, or specifically acts on the gravitational force, then reversing the function, then maybe it would function like running an electric motor in reverse.
AlexanderF.
I was going to say that. Ist easier to think about it when you think of vectors
Marian Ch
Either the lack of physics knowledge is part of some system restrictions to keep the world a certain way, or the energy doesn't just come out of nowhere but his soul/nearby souls, effectively ruining the source being drained.
Baron of Awesome
If you decide to use mana to fight against gravity, or another kind of force, you’d need to expend mana. I am pretty sure he just figured out how to turn gravity into mana in some way
Louie “Blindy” Lichtträger
Ah. I could devour a whole book of this!
Customer Service
Let's see... Potential exploits... First off I would think since it seems to supply it's own mana one could effectively keep themselves under a canstant high gravity effect for physical training. Setting a trigger so that a spell causes an object to rise high up, then slam back down much harder than normal.
Izzent
Negative force doesn't exist. It's just positive force in an opposite direction...
Justin Drake
TYFTC
