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Interlude - Despicable Measures

🕑 Added 2024-08-28 13:00:05 +0000 UTC

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Gabriel Melnik

I feel like any antagonizing CIA guy in a story should not be able to talk eye to eye with whom they are antagonizing until it becomes a done deal where one of the parties on the kerfuffle is done for (Either the CIA ops or the other guy)

Timothy Nugent

Thanks!

Raymond Mouton

I think the update that removes references to blackmailing the family of Jeremy and his men, flows a bit better, and is more realistic, in that “black” ops types in stories, are generally depicted as having few lasting relationships… The threat of being an eternal lab-rat is more than sufficient…

Timothy Nugent

I have decided to go back and edit this conversation. I will keep the bulk of it the same, but tweak the end where he threatens Jeremy.

RedFaux

The problem for me isn't the being evil. It's the being blatantly incompetent. The CIA would not have gotten away with half the bullshit they have if they were so blatant with assassinations for example, no matter how much racism and classicism would obscure investigations. Word of mouth was enough for almost 100,000 years, literally just the people in her life he mentioned could cause the entire scheme to fall apart. For crying out out, a regular "accident" would be both infinitely easier to arrange and infinitely harder to detect foul play. Not to mention straight up denying the observations of people you send in TOO INVESTIGATE, is just... idiotic. The CIA wouldn't be nearly as frightening if they employed people striving for a Darwin award as much as this moron

Gabriel Melnik

I feel like this CIA guy should have guilt tripped the soldiers into going there instead of threatening them into doing.

lenkite

Most elite veteran soldiers have peer communities for information and assistance and can generally get someone to send a messge to the high brass. A CIA agent threatening their family will soon be getting pressure from their boss no matter what black ops program they are running as a shit-show.

Bloovzi

Ye i am under no delusion that there are not evil people in power. but i meant more in this specific situation from what i read this guys seems to be a CIA handler not the main guy in charge i would think one would be more subtle not just scream out evil super villain and try to not seem super incompetent by his superiors, like by losing what seems to be half the men he is in charge of and have nothing to show for it and openly threatening to kill off his underlings mother if he does not comply. would be more belivable if he was more like ohh this captain jackson is starting to questioning my orders better just kill him/make him disappear, or lets just say Jackson also has a brother in the army and the CIA handler could just say oh you so wanna quit, i see you have brother in the army maby he would be a better fit for this program more veiled threats like that and not like im gonna kill your mother if you don't comply. Sorry for the long post, love the story and this is not a big complaint.

Timothy Nugent

To be clear. I love America, but I hate parts of our government, specifically the corrupt leaders in charge of it, including both Democrat AND Republican.

Timothy Nugent

I would counter that I haven't shown the CIA being evil enough. lol Check out the Freedom of Information Act requests on their past activity. Pure evil, including testing viruses on mass American citizens without their consent or knowledge. No, I'm not talking about Covid, I'm talking about decades ago. Not to mention all the democracies in the world they've overthrown and replaced with their own puppet dictators.

Bloovzi

Love the story so far only complaint about this chapter is that Scott Peters just feel way to over the top evil and incompetent.

Gabriel Melnik

Bruh it's the diesel rabbit hole. If I keep this way I'll end up buying an aeroplane kit.

Timothy Nugent

Well, I'm definitely learning a lot! Lol

Gabriel Melnik

Crude oil ain't engine oil, and about vegetable oil I got mixed up veggies with crude, so i checked and I was wrong about the combustion on the veggie. Straight vegetable oil as you said will fuck up the engine, so that isn't an option. Crude oil can't reach the autoignition temperature inside a small diesel engine because the compression isn't meant to reach the ignition temperature of oil, and also the valves, seals, pumps and exhausts also aren't designed to handle crude oil, so even if it could burn it, then it would be a cointoss if it works or not. There are some boat engine *made* for crude oil, but these engines aren't the same as the ones on a pickup, truck or airplane.

Timothy Nugent

Why does everything online say they can? Sure, it'll destroy the engine after a year or two, but it says it'll work.

Gabriel Melnik

No diesel engine is able run on crude oil nor vegetable oil because neither of them would combust inside a diesel combustion chamber, and also remember that both of those liquids would fuck up real bad the fuel pumps. And im talking about refining the crude oil into regular diesel (Given that the refining process for oil is basically running the substance through furnaces, and then pump the hot oil into a decantation tank were all the after products from the process are separated and stored)

Undead Writer

Thanks for the chapter! Need more!

Timothy Nugent

You are right, diesel can run on crude oil as well as vegetable oil, although it shortens the life of the engine. There are also vast reserves of crude, which does not go bad. I will make the change. I'm not an expert on combustion engines. :P

Gabriel Melnik

Sure but to be honest they don't need biodiesel given that there are relatively rich oil deposits and working oil fields. Sure, Oil pumps would need to be retrofitted but there a lot more of effort needed to make biodiesel than regular diesel (Given that food will be tight then it's borderline insane to dedicate fields for biodiesel production)

Timothy Nugent

Gas works as well, but it's harder to convert a gas vehicle to crank/push start. Kick start motorcycles work with no conversion. Also, fuel will go bad within a year. Biodiesel will last longer and can be made easier.

Gabriel Melnik

So they are stuck on diesel and mechanical contraptions until someone figures out how to hack the nanobots again.

Timothy Nugent

It is currently seeding the Earth with uncountable self replicating nanomachines. Invasion day doesn't occur until the entire planet is so saturated that it is capable of preventing lightning and static electricity. It also uses that electricity as a power source.

Josh

The nanomachines propably siphon it

Gabriel Melnik

Also begs the question on how does the AI prevent electricity from happening?

Timothy Nugent

Thanks!

RedFaux

Just wanted to say, and this was ages ago, how I like how you made a point that ALL electricity didn't work, not even lightning. It made it less like the System was just like "no, science is boring" or a cheap way to make modern armies lose, and more like it just uses one of the fundamental forces of the universe as a fuel source, and the side effect of breaking resistance is either a coincidence, or just a bonus. Feels less cheap

Timothy Nugent

Sean is correct. Lack of ability to communicate is the biggest reason the government falls apart in Blake’s original timeline.

Gabriel Melnik

Yeah but it was never said that there wasn't a way for strangers to get in touch nor a global chat room where only people with titles can chat.

Sean

I'm pretty sure he contacts people by first adding them as a friend or faction member. I don't think there's a general hub for communication.

Gabriel Melnik

I have a question, once Jeremy is initialized into the collective, would he be able to get in touch with Blake? Also, I kept digging the emp hardened diesel rabbit hole and I think that mechanical Direct injection engines should be able to run under the "no electricity" constraint even if the started needs to be modified so it can use a crankshaft as starter.


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