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Death After Death PLUS 211-213

🕑 Added 2025-02-10 14:57:01 +0000 UTC

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D. Winchester

The dragon is certainly a wild card. We wonder how much it will impact the future of the story. I guess we will see. As to everything else, you seem to have laid it out pretty clearly, though I can't discuss it in any detail because Patreon doesn't have SPOILER TAGS. (Oh Patreon...)

Nonono

Oh man this whole multidimensional time stuff is really confusing to me. So from what I can see, the pit is 'divided' into multiple levels. Each level represent the same world but in different time periods. The previous levels also determine the next level in real time. When Simon dies, he goes back to his cabin. A level can be completed and no longer explorable afterwards. However it looks like a level can just open again if Simon *ucks up in previous levels or something. What I don't understand is the dragon? Why was it given this god-like power to explore different variants of the 'main' world? I feel this convolutes the plot and the whole time travel bit with Simon futures or whatever also convolutes the plot immensely enough to make me very confused about where this story is heading.

Alex Doan

"Time travel is impossible" is a bold claim, considering we know that moving forward in time is possible and we have done it ourselves

Orion Dye

Its an interesting chapter set, but everything we are told of reality is from a dragons point of view and therefore highly suspect. Remember a dragon is basically a lizard that spends decades or centuries living under a rock. It has not traveled the entire world, nor does it truck with demons or gods. It lorded its great knowledge over simon, but that seems limited to what its innate nature allows it to observe. Anything outside of its nature it seems ignorant of, like “human” magic (which is likely demonic in origin), or the nature and powers of the goddess, or even Simons ability to time travel. Likely anything the dragon cannot innately perceive or do is therefore either impossible or “unnatural”. Therefore we cant trust its assertions.

DeadSlime

The base of this theory is there is importance on experience and its negative and positive values. While being the only value which is shown to us in both the afterlife and Pit. It’s the only value that is consistent and is obviously important as otherwise it wouldn’t be used to judge the value of a life. But from what the dragon said there are millions of versions of Simon who are from this Simon’s past, present and future.

GrinBean

So you saying there's some ascension value both for evil god and good god that you can achieve? Meaning his future self could be a variant of him that achieved God hood and ability to jump realities/maybe even time with it... BTW missed possibility to tell dragon he invented time travel (evil him from the future)

GrinBean

TYFTC. I applaud author for his ability to always trap us on a cliffhanger.

Evil Legend

The Pit suddenly turned into a much broader, multidimensional multiverse than had been previously established. It turns out that the mechanism by which Simon returns to the beginning of the story isn’t some isolated phenomenon separate from the nature of the Pit, but rather an exploitation of properties that already exist within its mechanics. I’m also not sure that the dragon’s assumption about the impossibility of true time travel is correct. Maybe. At this point, I’m uncertain whether they’ve made the Pit more or less strange and complex. On one hand, if each death adds a new multiverse section to the Pit with the necessary set of completed levels in sequential time, then either an exponentially increasing number of Simons is created with each iteration, each starting their own adventures in the Pit after their deaths (maybe when the mirror—or was it Helades?—told him there were 5 million heroes in the Pit, it was just counting the Simons at that point in time, and the narrative isn’t being told from the perspective of the original?), or only one iteration of Simon can reset everything from the start, while all his other iterations simply die permanently. The existence of Evil Simon (and his rather vague note) in this case suggests the theory of an infinite number of mostly identical, progressively less experienced Simons, and we’re not following the original “flagship Simon.” Helades’ words about checking Basilisk City every hundred years or so could also point to this version. Or maybe something completely unrelated and weird is happening, because I’m almost sure that the first time Simon tried to summon the mirror outside his little house, it required some waiting time, and the mirror explained this by saying it was hard to find him in time... Let me find the quotes: For a moment, Simon almost saw a pattern as he struggled to remember what each of those places would have looked like, but all the pieces didn’t quite fit together. “Wait, so you’re in all the mirrors?” he said finally, not 100% certain he was right. ‘Not all,’ it wrote in its glowing blue writing, “But many. Each offered a glimpse into your journey in other times and places. Sometimes, though, you stay in places without mirrors for an extended period of time, or you move between levels quickly. Since you never call out to me, it can make finding you difficult. Unlike the Goddess I serve, I am not omnipresent.” (Ch. 86) In the end, he decided he couldn’t do either, so while the devil tormented him, he walked over to the baptismal pool, which was bone dry, and poured in his water skin. “Can you hear me, mirror?” he asked, feeling slightly stupid. “You told me this would work. Where are you?” A few seconds later, to his eternal surprise, blue letters wavered on the surface of his reflection. “Moving between places and times in search of you is more challenging than you know.” (Ch. 88) The mirror calls it “other times and places,” which technically doesn’t contradict the idea of linear time, but... that’s just not how that phrase feels in context. And in some way, it doesn’t feel like the elegant explanation you’d expect from this kind of fantasy story with all its flexible magic. It’s not weird enough, if that makes sense? An alternative theory (or set of theories) suggests there’s a single constantly rewritten multiversal timeline with metastable, loosely connected segments/completed levels. And mostly one Simon, looping through it. The reset levels are like time/history pockets that retroactively became unrealized but still exist in some sense, or the Pit still branches rather than rewrites, but on a much smaller scale, and this is directly connected to Simon's interactions with his own past, rather than mindless generation of infinite Simons. Or maybe it’s a mix of both, depending on the level of his interaction with his past and on the whims of his left foot on warm days. It’s really hard to guess what’s going on—we just don’t have enough data. We already know Icefang is biased in his perception of the Pit’s reality, so it’s unclear how much we can trust his statement about the impossibility of time travel. It’s not immediately obvious why generating new sections of the multiverse would be simpler than time travel. The interaction between completed levels also requires a certain level of weirdness in the universe’s properties, considering that solving levels doesn’t happen sequentially, and locking in the solution of a previous level doesn’t necessarily undo all subsequent ones. Sigh In some ways, creating new timelines with shifted histories has more arguments in its favor—like how Simon solved levels a couple of times by just moving threats to the next unfinished level, then dying, leaving them in the old reality, and they simply didn’t exist anymore in the new one since unfinished levels don’t save progress. But this is only a simpler explanation if you slap five asterisks and footnotes on the word simpler. Besides, if that’s the case, nothing really stops Simon from just not entering a portal at some point, gathering a group of his previous iterations at the end of completed levels, and with a horde of his copies, trying to solve more complex levels. P.S.: The solipsistic dragon turned out pretty cool, even if morally ambiguous. Hoping for a partnership would’ve been too greedy, but at least he got to ride it once, which isn’t bad. The ability to fly through world iterations as a rather original way to maintain ecosystem balance is pretty amusing. Weird enough—just in the spirit of the Pit.

Antoine De l'Epine

Not sure i understood the dragon's perspective on the matter but great chapter as always

DeadSlime

I think I might what know what makes gods and demons. It’s experience or karma as it’s very odd to have it as the one value shown other than skill. With gods and demons peak and troughs of each. It also makes sense why there aren’t millions of gods as the amount of positive and negative deeds cancel each other out keeping a neutral amount of experience. So I think the goal of the pit is to attempt to make gods and demons as Helades has some greater purpose for the pits. I doubt her role of supreme being highly especially after this chapter.

Craig

Wow, there is tons of lore in this chapter. I guess if Helidas "moves the past forward to start again" that explains why the demons from hell know so much about the pit. There is only one hell and they are also experiencing linear time, so they really do remember everything from one loop to another.


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