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Tiffany's Proportions
🕑 Added 2018-12-27 17:41:32 +0000 UTCHey guys, this another discussion/poll to gather people's feedback/opinions. This has nothing to do with v0.04, or even v0.05. But potentially will change the planned story events for v0.06.
I want to preface this by explaining that Tiffany will see her proportions get bigger on day 2 & 3 of her pregnancy/lactation, regardless. Exactly what changes her body will go through, and by how much is a topic for a later poll/discussion. I expect the morning of day 3 to begin with v0.07 so that will be the first possible time for Tiffany's breasts (or other parts) to grow bigger/expand.
So, what's this about then?
It's no secret that the vast majority of patrons seem to enjoy breasts on the larger size. As of now: Ali, Hitomi and Sydney all have larger breasts than Tiffany. I will add more characters in the future, some will have smaller breasts, some even smaller than Vanessa's. But the vast majority of future characters, will have their proportions decided by the votes of patrons. So far, the option with the largest proportions has always won by a large majority.
This is totally fine by me. I like ultra stacked girls with huge tits (clearly) so I have no problem with boobs getting too big or whatever. What doesn't sit quite right with me, is that the protagonist, Tiffany currently has the 4th largest chest out of the 5 current girls... And as more girls get added, she'll most likley continue to fall down that ladder.
I'm not sure I'd be entirely satisfied if pretty much every new girl that appears has bigger breasts than out main character. Yes, her breasts will grow if she's pregnant/lactating, (there will also be a drug that triggers the breast growth without the pregnancy/milk side effects in a future version.) but I also plan for other girls to have that happen as well (when they are pregnant/lactating).
That being said, I know there's probably sizeable portion of patrons, who like Tiffany just the way she is, and if given the choice, would prefer to keep her body proportions from growing too much where possible. I'm just not sure what proportion of those patrons exist.
Here is a potential idea I've been tossing around. It's not confirmed, just how I would go about addressing the issue of increasing her proportions in a "lore friendly" way moving forward. In v0.06, Tiffany would get captured by the enemy who would experiment on her, causing her body to change to the 3-day-pregnancy-cycle (due to the likley outcome of this poll), and also her proportions to be increased. This would give patrons the chance to decide on what changes they would like made to the proportions of Tiffany's base body (before the additional increases from pregnancy/lactation).
So, what's the catch?
If I did this, it would unfortunately not be optional. If I made it a choice, I'd have to once again double to amount of art variants I'd need to make. I've already committed to a 2-stage change in her body type (for pregnancy and lactation). If I had to also make art variations depending on whether or not Tiffany had her base proportions altered by the enemy, that's just too many variations to make. It'd be a nightmare to keep track of and versions would take much longer to come out. I'd love to do it, but it just isn't feasible with just me working on the game.
What this means is, it will not be an optional part of the game that Tiffany can avoid by wining a fight or choosing the correct options. It will be a compulsory story event that will change her base proportions from than point in the game on-wards, without being able to revert to her original proportions.
So, that's my question to you guys, for discussion. Knowing all of this, would you like to see Tiffany's proportions forcibly increased by the enemy in a non-optional, upcoming story event?
Like I said, this is not a definitive poll. I'd like to here your guys thoughts on the matter in the comments section. There are good reasons for both options. I would only do this if there is a large majority in favor of the increased proportions. I know a lot of people like Tiffany, and support the game because of her. I wouldn't want to ruin her for people if it would turn many patrons off from the project.
If I do decide to go ahead with this, there will be a follow up poll for $5+ patrons to decide on which changes should be made, this could include increases to the size of breasts, ass, lips, and more. There will be separate polls and discussions for that.
As much as I'd like to make a game with 1000 customization options for Tiffany. It simply isn't possible if I want versions to be released within reasonable intervals. Therefore, some strict decisions need to be made, and kept to, to keep the game's branching options from spiraling out of control and ruining the progression of the game's other aspects. The game is ambitious enough as it is without all of these customization options.
Thanks for your support and feedback on this. Be sure to let me know what you think, as well as your thoughts on Tiffany being the protagonist but having some of the smallest breasts? To me, that's the main reason why I think this might be a good idea, to 'correct' that before it's too late to do otherwise.
~ Jim
Comments
Jimjim
Yep, don’t worry, this is the whole point of changing her body after all.
deamonmaster
Sorry if what I'm about to say comes across as obvious or patronizing, but when making the test renders we're going to vote on you should keep in mind the size of the characters you're going to introduce in the future. Make sure that the options we we have to choose from have Tiffany bigger than, or at least as big as, the biggest of them or else we're just going to have this problem again down the line.
El_Perverso
Noone pushes you to do it right now. It's not even a suggestion, it's like an idea of what could be done. It doesn't even have to be some monster that chews on Tiffanies tasty mounds, it was like a guideline now, nothing else. The idea here is that even if we opt not to change Tiffany (or opt to change but still would want more), we can still have some possibilities to look at her "SuperPowered" features through this optional additions. Also, bad end scenarios? In that type of game.Really?I mean, this game could really qualify for a pinnacle of perverted desires we could have. Then why bother with bad end outcomes?
Jimjim
Yes, I agree with that. Though I'd be more inclined to make them bad-end type scenarios rather than some temporary scene, simply because I find permanent body changes more sexy. But yes, your both right. It's just not at the top of my to-do list right now since it's a lot of time consuming work. To reiterate, it's not annoying to do because I don't like working on it, its annoying because I only have limited time and I don't want to spend a whole month on a single scene for example.
El_Perverso
Still, it could be played upon. Limit this scene to only if Tif is a slut for zombies, make her nude from the start (like in zombified Robert scene). What I'm trying to say is that I'm trying to evolve that idea elvolvo expressed, but that way that it would be easy to implement and not involving that insane extra amount of work. See that as some easter egg or some bonus content or whatever. That way we could even have Tiff look ridiculously big/out of shape but for a small amount of time. That way we could even fuel our craziest desires without breaking the whole game.
Jimjim
It's 2 stages for pregnancy, but 2 more variants without the pregnant belly (if using lactivate instead.) So yes, I miscounted, but its still 5 variations. And that's not including outfits, assuming all scenes will start when she's already nude. And also not including the different variations for expressions, if she's a slut or not for example there are sometimes different expressions on her face. it can quickly get out of control like that. Yes, it's all possible. But incredibly annoying and time consuming.
Jimjim
It just so happens, that now, super early in development, is the best time (if not the only reasonable time) to let loose and get feedback/input from you guys before things get locked down when the game gets too far in development.
Jimjim
Everybody keeps saying this. :D Don't worry, I am quite a stubborn person even if it doesn't seem that way so far. I have a very clear vision for how I want the game to be. I'm just very flexible with side-quest type content and extra content since I like all kinds of things and want to include the community. Again, this is not really about preventing the boobs from getting too big, it's simply about making sure that the majority of people funding the game wouldn't be unhappy if I made a change to the protagonist's body. I could just do whatever I wanted, and I have heaps of things planned that I won't budge on. But, where possible, I'd like to get peoples thoughts/feedback to see what people think before making these on-the-fly decisions. Especially since the protagonist is such an important aspect of these types of games.
El_Perverso
Uhm, after all, you're the creator, and I hope you have a clear vision what you would like your game to be, to feel and to look. While it is fine that you're listening to your patrons, you should guide those wishes to the shape you envision your game to have or else you just end up with not a single, coherent, integral game but a bunch of patron's wishes.
El_Perverso
I get it though I'd wish to count it once more. We could have Tif in normal condition or one of the 3 stages of pregnancy. That gives us 4 starting points (or 3 if there are 2 stages). Then this monster bites us. Then we don't have a freedom to go anywhere we like, we just follow the questline and in the end we revert back to normal. It's like a temporary insert, without too much freedom. With those prerendered scheme you really have only two options: either radically limit the amount of diversity or limit the amount of freedom.
Jimjim
Like with many of the other polls involving character proportions, you’ll get to choose between some test renders. I will probably do initial discussions/polling to see which body parts people would like proportions increased (breasts, ass, hip, thighs, lips, etc). As for “sensible limits” clearly we’re already beyond the norm here, at this end of the spectrum, everybody has a wildly different idea of what is sensible or not. Everyone’s tastes are different. I don’t plan on going crazy huge, but I have done so in other works in the past. I’m not against it, it’s just not quite what I have in mind here. At th end of the day, people are allowed to enjoy what they like, I’m not really going to put my foot down and say, “here’s the upper limit, and anything above that is gross/wrong” because I think that’s missing the point. AT the end of the day I can’t do anything other than promise to use ‘majority rules’ to make the fairest decision possible. If enough people are against it, it won’t happen. So I wouldn’t worry too much.
Jimjim
This change won’t be in v0.04, but for v0.06. If you mean the release, it will be at the end of the the month/year.
Jimjim
No, here’s the reason why this is a once off change. I will need to go back and remake all of the repeatable sex scenes and reused CG’s with new variations for the base body. Then, I need to do the same thing for the two stages of body development during day 2 & 3 of pregnancy. Then, I need to remake those variations, but without the belly increase for those who only have the expanded breasts and are not pregnant. Now, let’s say you encounter this hypothetical “monster bite” event. First of all. Tiffany could be pregnant, or not at one of the 3 stages. So just the image of naked her getting bit has a minimum of 6 variations, then Presumably that hypothetical bite would cause her breasts to get larger. But since there’s are 6 possible starting points, I need to make 6 separate increases depending on what is currently going on with your Tiffany, and you can see that it quickly spiral so out of control from there if any of that is permanent, or alters the body again and I have to remake all of the variations for dialogue, combat repeatable scenes again for these new sizes. It’s just way too much work for me to handle and stillness able to provide you guys with updates that contain progression.
Jimjim
Yes, and to each their own, I’m not necessarily against ridiculously extreme proportions, it’s just not quite what I have in mind for Tiffany.
El_Perverso
Those scenes could be tied to the story, that way decreasing the total amount of variations. Like she gets another treatment or she gets some drug or some unique monster bites her or whatever and she becomes super big but then deflates back to normal. If you can tie this to the story, it wouldn't be much of a problem. Although, speaking of those different options, this diversity, different outfits and so on, that is where Unity or UEngine really rock. IMO it should be an unquestionable future of most adult games besides those that are truly VNs.
El_Perverso
As it was expected :) The majority chooses the increase and this is understandable. I think all out here really have that fetish for huge boobies, so no wonder many of us want moar. Speaking of it being a non-reversible change. First of all, it is of course should be defined through some test renders. Like we will look at different options and try to choose which one is the most fitting. And then, if everybody grow tired of those huge proportions (although I highly doubt that), you can revert it through another story driven event :). The only thing that's bothering me here is that the majority will choose a totally out of this world proportions that will make Tif look like an overinflated rubber doll, but I hope beeing that the case, you protect her from those crazed up eggheads abusing her body beyond any sensible limits :).
v0.04?
Ari Korpela
Well that puts my mind at ease heh! Sorry if i ever doubted you its just ive seen some females with so big breasts you cant even see her head. O_O
Jimjim
I understand, perhaps there can be some scenes that have temporary consequences in the future. But probably not, too many variations to make even with that. This is simply about her base body.
elvolvo
I think everything has a limit, I like tiffany as it is and its measures. If at any time you want to extend the measures, it is for a scene that receives a pill that momentarily extends its measurements and violates it or something (for example, the comic woman wonder that you created) sorry my english use translator I hope it was understood
duduman33
Brolly is right man :D
Jimjim
"Sydney" is the password.
Jimjim
If we go that route, then you guys will get to vote anyway. I'd just be doing it to make her a bit bigger. A noticeable increase, but nothing too extreme or crazy! Definitely won't be making them so huge that they are that much bigger than the other girls are. It's more to bring her in line with them rather than make her outshine them haha. Definitely no floor brushing saggy tits :D They will stay firm and round, no matter what. :)
epsyon sensei
désolé oublier merci
epsyon sensei
pour installer le jeux sella me demande un code dans l'archive ????
Ari Korpela
I dont think that either, but they are impressive already. I cant see them much bigger that what they are now XD
Derperoni
I don´ t think Jimjim would make them "too" big. I doubt he would force Tiffany to drag her tits on the floor :D
Ari Korpela
It obviously looks like she will be getting bigger proportions the way the votes are going. I only recommend that you wont make them ridiculously big compared to the size she already has. I like big boobs obviously but there is such a thing as too big haha! :D
Jimjim
I'd say around 70% of the vote would be needed for this one to pass. But I will leave it up for a number of weeks since it's not something we need to make a decision on right now, just before the end of v0.05 so I can alter the story/my plans to accommodate this new section.
Jimjim
Yes, there will be thiccer girls in the future, but increasing Tiffany's general voluptuousness will also be an option here. :)
THICCUS MAXIMUS
No problemo, budderino. I completely understand.
Jimjim
Thanks.
Jimjim
Well, like in most games, the men are lusting after her in particular for a reason. It just makes more sense if she has one of the most, if not the most, desirable bodies in the game. I get what you mean, but I think the majority of us here tend to think along the simplistic lines of "bigger is better" for the most part.
Jimjim
No worries, I appreciate your feedback. I'm glad to have so many patrons who keep insisting that I make the game I want. That being said, I still want to check with everyone before making big decisions like this.
Hexamore
I just hope to see some T H I C C-er girls! :D
THICCUS MAXIMUS
All right then. I just thought it would be less of a work load, but you do make a good point. I only know how to write, not how to make art assets. So if it's more work later, then I understand. For me, I like her as is. However, if I'm outweighed in the long run, then I can understand their views as well. But in the long run that is, it's your vision for a game. Make the game YOU would love to play. Of course it's nice to have us, y'know, to help guide your idea so that it reaches a bigger audience, but so far, you're making a game you enjoy, with art you enjoy, and thus far, by your own admission, almost everyone loves it so far, including the art. That's my two cents. If you feel like adding more customizations to the game, then it'd be welcome. If you don't, then keep going how you want. First and foremost, this is YOUR game. Shape it how you want. Want her to get bigger after a certain fight? Go for it. Want an enemy that is against her size and wants to make her smaller through forcing her to have smaller tits? Do that. Like, this is your game, Jimjim. We love it, because you show that you love it, and because we're kinky motherfuckers. I had a stroke a few years ago, so I had to finish my trains of thought, and I hope it didn't confuse you in any way. Or prattle on.
Kvothe
U know me: usually I go on a rant about something or other for paragraph after paragrapg after paragraph but not so this time: Make'em bigger! Love the idea, love the poll, love Tiffany ;)
Derperoni
I don´ t think not changing Tiffany would set an upper limit. In my opinion she does not need to have the biggest/one of the biggest tits just because she´ s the main character. But I can see why people might prefer it.
Jimjim
I also like Tiffany they way she is, but I'd personally prefer her proportions getting bigger than restricting the upper limits on future characters just to make Tiffany more unique.
Jimjim
Unfortunately, it's quite the opposite. This is the one and only chance to increase her base proportions. Before too many art assets are created for the current one. Waiting until the game is nearly done makes way less sense. By that stage it would take me almost a year just to make all the extra renders to catch up. It's not happening. I'd rather work on more story/events or a new game than spend a year adding one option to the game. This is simply a yes or no question of whether or not you guys would like to change her base body before it's too late in development. Either her body gets changed here, or it never will. More items, monster etc don't take that much more time. having to make lots of changes to Tiffany's body further down the line does. It means going back and redoing everything to fit with the new sizes. Best to make that decision now while I could get it all done in a month or so.
Derperoni
I dunno. I kinda like Tiffany the way she is. I am a huge fan of huge tits as well, but I fear that some of them might just get too big in the future if every poll decides to 1-up the previous..
THICCUS MAXIMUS
I like the idea, but right now, since it's very early stages, it would be best to wait until most of the game is ready before you put on things that add to your workload. I'm fine with her bimboified self for now, until you feel like "Hey, maybe I can add this and there won't be much of a delay. The game is nearing completion, I got a bit of time." Or, once the game is finished, THEN work on it for the 1.1-2.0 content. Where you can add items, more monsters, etc.. Just a thought.
