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June 2023 Presale Info
🕑 Added 2023-06-12 09:05:21 +0000 UTC*** This is not a sale post! ***
(Please do not make any slot claims on this post)
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If I update anything after the initial posting I will add it here.
◆ Clarified proxy rules a smidge. Updated wording:
Proxying: You may claim a slot for someone else, but you are using your slot to do so and you cannot also purchase for yourself. That means you cannot do partial proxies either, as in claiming a djinn slot for someone else and ordering an myo for yourself. The other person would be given your entire order allotment. Please note if you are claiming for someone else, you must specify up front who is getting the slot in your claim comment. The person you proxy for does not need to be a patron. If you are proxying for someone else, payment can come from either party.
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🔸 General Sale Info:
For sales moving forward, dropping mutations, crown style and tail style will not incur a cost if it’s grouped with other purchases. Keep in mind that adult elnin cannot drop rank if you’re dropping a crown or tail to a lower MP style. If the only purchase you’re making is dropping a mutation/crown style/tail style at that time, it will incur a $5 cost.
There will be THREE different forms for this sale, so double check that you're submitting the one(s) you want. One form is for the limited 1-per-person djinnin MYO/upgrade slot, one form is for the limited 1-per-person blank MYO slot, and the other form will cover all other edits/growths/etc to your other existing elnins, with a cap of 5 edit/growth forms per user. So if you want to get a Djinnin MYO/Upgrade slot, a MYO slot, as well as a growth slot for a kittom you already own, you'll need to submit all three forms.
Please also note, for MYO slots specifically, there will be longer trade cooldowns on finished designs because they are Patreon-exclusive. Be sure to read the "Ownership and transfer rules" section below so you know what to expect ahead of time!
Forms will have a question to clarify how you would like to be invoiced. This will hopefully streamline any questions on if invoicing can be separated or not for certain sales.
Slot workflow:
- Step one for this sale is replying with a 'claim' comment on the sales post when it goes up [Sales post will go up on Monday June 12th at 3pm PDT]. You must post a comment first before continuing. I won't be replying to the comments, this is just so that the mods have a list to cross reference to make sure that a) everyone who submitted a form is a patron and b) we have a helpful reference if we notice someone claimed a slot but hasn't submitted a form as the deadline approaches. If you do not post a claims comment, your order form will not be processed. Please note if you are purchasing for someone else you must specify up front who is getting the slot in your initial claims comment.
- The link to the actual order forms will be shared on the sales post when it goes up. We'll be leaving the form open for 5 days (120hrs) [Monday June 12th from 3pm PDT to Friday the 16th 3pm PST]. Order forms must be submitted within the 120hr sale window. If you do not submit your form within that time, it will not be processed.
- You may only purchase one djinnin myo/upgrade slot. So you can get either a blank myo kittom or an upgrade to an existing elnin, not both. There will be a lengthy 6 month cooldown on these starting after design has been updated, because they're meant specifically to be patron-exclusive, so be sure to read the trade rules so you're clear on them!
- You may only purchase one standard myo slot. These will have a 3 month cooldown starting after the design has been created and uploaded on the ML.
- You may only purchase up to 5 edits/upgrades to existing elnins.
- As a heads up, please keep in mind that because this is a fully open window, it will likely mean that order/invoice processing will take a little while. Please be patient with us as we work through the forms ♥
- ⚠️As a reminder, you cannot claim a slot if you currently have any outstanding invoices from me that are from before the premade sales this June. So if you need to make any payments or talk to me about any issues with outstanding invoices, please submit a ticket to the WoE site ASAP to clarify details!
- Another side note, if you have questions about your order, it's better to put them on your order form so that they can be discussed when your slot is being processed, rather than waiting to submit your initial form while you try to get an answer elsewhere and risk losing your slot. Your slot details are flexible up until an invoice is sent, so don't worry about changing things while you go over your order with the mods during processing.
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🔸 Ownership and transfer rules:
These slots are going to be limited to one per person.
Proxying: You may claim for someone else, but you are using your slot to do so and you cannot also purchase for yourself. That means you cannot do partial proxies either, as in claiming a djinn slot for someone else and ordering an myo for yourself. The other person would be given your entire order allotment. Please note if you are claiming for someone else, you must specify up front who is getting the slot in your claim comment. The person you proxy for does not need to be a patron. If you are proxying for someone else, payment can come from either party.
If purchasing a blank MYO slot: The unused slot is non transferable as with any other MYO slot. Once the elnin's design art is approved and applied, a 6 month transfer cooldown will begin for djinnin, and 3 months for standard MYO slots. Once the cooldown period is up, it can be sold/traded/gifted as normal.
If purchasing a djinnin upgrade to an existing elnin: The elnin immediately becomes non-transferable. Once the elnin's upgraded design art is approved and applied, a 6 month transfer cooldown will begin. Once the cooldown period is up, it can be sold/traded/gifted as normal.
I realize 6 months is quite a long time, but it helps me feel more comfortable with doing a fully open sales period which would allow everyone a chance to purchase rather than doing a limited number of slots and leaving claims up to a randomizer or speed sale.
The trade cooldown doesn't officially start until an elnin's official design art is approved and updated on the masterlist. That means if you purchase the slot for an existing standard elnin, you can no longer trade or sell that elnin until they've finished their upgrade or edits. Be sure that you're ok with this rule before moving forward!
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🔸 Important Subtype FAQ/Guidelines:
With the release of djinnin, there will now be at least two distinct pure subtypes (faenin and djinnin) that exist in the group. This sale will be for creating or upgrading elnin to pure djinnin subtype elnin only.
So what does this mean for users who have elnin with faenin subtype traits that users may want to apply a djinnin upgrade to? The FAQ below should hopefully answer some of those questions.
Can hybrid elnin be obtained as a result of this sale?
No. At this time we are not allowing the mixing of elnin subtype traits. No hybrid elnin will be created as a result of this sale. If what you are desiring is an elnin that is hybrid in any way, we highly recommend that you wait for those future details to be released before jumping into upgrading elnin with other subtype traits. Any subtype traits that cannot exist on djinnin because they are faenin subtype traits will be permanently dropped. (See FAQ questions below for details on this.)
We don't want to rush implementation of these kinds of complex updates. The logistics for how we plan to do hybrid elnins has presented some tricky challenges and though most of the heavy lifting is done, we're giving the system a little bit more breathing room just in case the second subtype release exposes any unexpected difficulties.
One thing we can confirm though, is that widely-available standard hybrid elnin will only allow certain currently non-stackable traits to be stacked on the same elnin. They will not allow for traits to be blended in one location. (For example: Standard hybrid elnin will not be able to have miniature wings that depict multiple subtypes all on a single wing, like half-fiendish and half-fae influences. The same would go for blending two subtype trait influences in one spot, like blended winglets and so on.)
If my elnin has faenin or other non-djinnin subtype traits and I would like to upgrade them with this sale, what happens to their faenin (or non-djinnin) subtype traits?
Any subtype traits associated with the faenin (or another) subtype will be dropped, as well as any specific mutations/boons/traits directly tied to subtype traits. Such as faerie’s boon that allows flight for miniature-wings (fae) and luminous anima associated with Bulb (fae) tails. This goes for both pure faenin, which would essentially drop all their faenin traits and subtype to become a pure djinnin, and other elnin that might have subtype traits.
The list of traits that will be permanently dropped if present on an elnin you want to upgrade for this sale include:
[Subtype Tail Styles]
◇ Flare (Fae), Whip (Fae), or Bulb (Fae)
[Hereditary Traits]
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Pixie Horns
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Doe-eyes (Fae)
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Winglets (Fae)
◇ [Mutation] Luminous Anima - If the variant on your elnin is attached to a Bulb (Fae) tail style.
[Non-Hereditary Traits]
◇ [Subtype] Faenin
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Antennae
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Miniature Wings (Fae)
◇ [Arcane] Flight (Faerie's Boon)
[Familiar(s)]
◇ [Pomu] Fae Variant
My elnin has elfin from some previous event, is that not a subtype mutation? What about Overwild (Aquatic) tail styles, are those subtype related?
There are some mutations that generally come with subtype sales, like elfin, but they are not necessarily considered to only occur on one pure subtype of elnin, and at times might appear on non-subtype elnin. Other mutations that are similar to elfin in this aspect are dire, cloud breath, and fire breath.
Some mutations may conflict with other available traits depending on what’s present. For example, you can’t have an elnin with dire and elfin at the same time. So if you had an elnin with elfin and you upgrade them to a pure djinnin, they would have djinnin subtype and stats, but you could pass on picking up the dire mutation in favor of keeping an existing elfin mutation.
Overwild (aquatic) tails are not considered a subtype related trait, similar to the hybrid tail style. If this tail is present on your elnin, you would not be required to drop it!
Doesn’t a hybrid elnin already exist?
There is only one elnin that was previously identified as hybrid, but that elnin specifically has had their subtype renamed as Empyrean to align it with a different subset of elnin with mixed traits. This is because this elnin (and others like it in the future) have a certain background lore and differences fleshed out that set them apart from standard hybrid elnin which are likely to be more available to the public. Specifically, Empyrean elnin will feature blended traits such as miniature wings that depict multiple subtypes all on a single wing, like half-fiendish and half-fae influences.
Other Empyrean elnin will likely only be available through premade sales and/or auctions by manaberri, whereas more common hybrid elnin are likely to be available through group participation or patreon upgrade sales eventually.
If I wait for hybrid elnin details to be released, will missing this sale mean I can never get a Djinnin?
This will not be the first and last way of obtaining djinnin in the group.
There is likely to be a future sale for subtypes after we release hybrid elnin in the future. Standard hybrid elnin available to the public through participation or MYO type sales will not feature traits that blend subtype features together in a single spot.
We recognize that by participating in this sale, people will get a pure djinnin subtype elnin sooner. We understand that there might be a fear of missing out on djinnin altogether by waiting for hybrid elnin to be released. We are going to try to be conscientious about this with sale scheduling when hybrid elnin are released.
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🔸 Slot details:
The base slot is $275 and comes with a few bells and whistles.
If you're purchasing a brand new MYO, the base slot covers the cost of a kittom. If applying to an existing elnin, the slot will accommodate medium design changes. If you're wanting an adult MYO or if your elnin's rank is changing due to upgrades, then you would apply the normal cost for ranks, but we'll go into additions once I've laid out what the base slot covers.
For pure Djinnin, the slot automatically comes with the following traits included:
[Subtype Tail Styles]
◇ Flare (Fiendish), Whip (Fiendish), or Bulb (Fiendish)
[Hereditary Traits]
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Fiendish Horns
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Limbal Accents
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Pilot Lights
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Plate Scales
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Winglets (Fiendish)
[Non-Hereditary Traits]
✦ [Subtype] Djinnin
✦ [Subtype Mutation] Talons
✦ [Subtype Mutation] Miniature Wings (Fiendish)
✦ [Arcane] Flight (Fiend's Boon)
◇ [Subtype Mutation] Spikes
◇ [Mutation] Dire
◇ [Mutation] Fire Breath
[Familiar(s)]
**[Pomu] Fiendish Variant
[Extras]
These are optional more standard traits as well but are still covered by the slot if you'd like to use them.
◇ [Mutation] Scales
◇ [Mutation] Slinky
◇ [Mutation] Infused Teeth/Claws
◇ One of the following fluff mutations: Maned/Leggy fluff/Pantaloons/Facial Fluff
Notes:
- ✦ Mutation cannot be dropped.
- ** Pomu (Fiendish Variant) cannot be dropped entirely (all elnins have a pomu), but you can replace it with Pomu (Standard) if preferred, you just need to specify if you want to do this.
- Default djinnin slots include several extra optional mutations. Any of these mutations can be dropped at the time the MYO or elnin art is approved, but after that, if you wish to add them, they will need to be repurchased either via EC/SC or USD (if there is a Patreon sale currently open and/or the trait is available for acquisition by ordinary means).
Moderators will follow up and confirm slot specifics via dA note after the MYO slot sale form closes if you have listed your dA account. (If you have not listed your dA account, please submit a WoE ticket with the “Patreon” Ticket Type within 24 hours of the form closing, otherwise our staff will assume the slot to be void if we have no means of contacting you outside of dA or WoE.)
Moderator staff will not be following up with users via Discord for these slots, but it may be used as a last resort for contact if the above means are not applicable.
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🔸 Adding more to MYO slots:
Base MYO slots come with extras, but you are welcome to add on additional traits or adjustments if you'd like. I'll be using the same rules as with previous sales. You can find all of the information here: [Pricing]. This means if you'd like an adult elnin MYO slot instead of a kittom, you'd treat it like any other upgrade purchase (if you're unfamiliar with the process or if anything about this is confusing don't worry we'll be getting in touch to work it all out!).
Also, if you are upgrading an existing adult and you've already purchased any rank upgrades previously, we can adjust the cost of any new rank-ups done as part of this sale. For example, if you've purchased an adult elnin growth to adventurer ($75) and would now like a noble ($200) rank for them, we can adjust the price to reflect the previous sale ($125).
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🔸 Payment plans:
- You must notify us that you will be needing a payment plan in the “Additional Questions or Notes” section on any forms submitted.
- You may have a maximum of up to 4 payment plans active for the djinnin sale event. 1 for premade djinnin, 1 for new MYO djinnin/djinnin upgrade, 1 for new standard MYO, 1 for misc elnin upgrades/edits. We're doing it this way to allow for more flexibility on payment plans, however it also creates quite a lot more work organizing invoices (so if it goes poorly I'll probably walk this back a bit for future sales xvx). All payment plans must still be paid within the listed time frames. Multiple plans do not extend your payment time so please plan accordingly. If you’d prefer to have your invoices grouped into one single invoice, please let us know in the forms or when the moderators reach out to you to confirm invoice details. Otherwise, once invoices have been sent out, they cannot be changed!
- 30% down payment is required within 24rs. Refunds may be not immediate if requested at a later time, as they will have to be provided as living expenses/funds allow. Refunds will result in the removal of any purchases from your elnin.
- Payment plans for edits/upgrades/growths to existing elnin will cause your elnin to become non-resellable/non-tradable/non-giftable until the payment plan is complete or refunded. Elnin will also be unable to be turned into the sanctuary.
- Length of payment plans allowed:
1 month plan is available for amounts over $100
2 month plan is available for amounts over $250
3 month plan is available for amounts over $500
Payment plans longer than 3 months are not available for this sale. If you acquire a slot please make sure you can pay within that time frame. - For future patreon sales after the ones this June (2023), you may not claim a new slot/purchase additional MYOs/growths/edits/upgrades if you have not paid off an existing slot/invoice in the group.
Alright I think that's everything that's coming to mind xDa SO. That brings us to..
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🔸 Sale window: Monday, June 12th from 3pm PST - Friday, June 16th 3pm PST (Form open for 120 hours).
I'll be publishing a separate sales post with a link to the form on the 12th.
Reminder: Order forms must be submitted within the 120hr sale window. If you do not submit your form within that time, it will not be processed. Also be sure that you have posted your claims comment on the sales post before you submit your order form!
You will need to be logged into a google account to access the form for this sale. Email addresses will be collected by this form solely for the purpose of allowing the form to send you a copy of your response. Neither myself nor a moderator will contact you by email or store this data anywhere else.
You will only be able to edit your form during the 120hr sale window, but nothing is set in stone until we send your invoice. If you make a mistake or need to ask questions about anything in your order, please don't worry too much and focus on getting your form in before the deadline. Please include any questions you have on your order form so the mods have an idea of what they'll need to go over with you.
Otherwise, if you have any immediate questions that are unrelated to order specifics, go ahead and ask in the comments. ovob
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Comments
It's not set in stone yet x) I'm still on the fence on whether or not I want all subtypes released prior to opening hybrid options but that's only viable if the timing doesn't stretch out too long. So for now it's a wait and see situation until I get a better idea of what the release schedule is looking like. That being said, the option to do hybrid edits during subtype sales won't lock you out of purchasing whatever subtype is available at that time. So you should be good on that front ovob
Just for a bit of clarification, will the next planned sale (not this curent one) be Djinn-specific or hybrid? The wording leads me to believe that the next one will be a possible hybrid sale. If it is will we still be limited to a single special slot or would we be able to get one Djinn and one hybrid? ( I have a second Djinn I'd love to create but it would be hard to do at the expense of missing out on hybrids)
Either would be ok! You just can't alongside the USD purchase on a form for a USD purchase form ask "Can I spend EC to have MP and the rank added with things bought with USD right away to be added to the notes?" ^^b But if you want to hold off on applying the djinnin upgrades until you have all the EC and things you need to grow them in one single art/design update later, that should be ok. In general we just ask people's next design update include their patreon purchase. So as long as you aren't planning to do edits/growth art without the USD purchase also being applied I believe what you are asking to do should be ok!
I'm sorry if this question is a bit of an obvious one, but if I take a Djinnin slot upgrade on one kittom, Am I supposed to update the art while it's still a kittom ? Or am I allowed to wait for when I'll make his resonnance/growth to apply this djinn upgrade ?
