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Prisoners of Sol 3

🕑 Added 2025-01-11 12:00:09 +0000 UTC

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everything very

I really like this analysis

Alyssa Wiseman

It’s the plot to a lot of sci-fi films, shows and games LOL Or if not the main plot point then touched on as a side quest or aside. And in case you haven’t noticed, this is a sci-fi story LOL

Some Lvm

Not AI! I know, its a controversial bet, but I am betting on the Vascar being a natural, biological species. Sure, everyone in the comments is pointing out all the signs for them being some sort of AI, but I find Mikri too annoyed with the situation to be a synthetic. And honestly - every single one of those "clues" for them being AI can be explained away quite easily: 1. They downloaded and analyzed the human ship's computer very fast: The Vascar vessel is a military ship responding to a possible incursion. It would make sense for it to have a "cyber weapon" on board - a program to hack, download, and analyze contents of enemy ship systems without the need for an expert operator. Real life law enforcement agencies actually have something kind of like this, where they can hook it up to any commercial phone and get a data from it even if it is locked. You don't have to be a hacker to use such a tool, its mostly automatic. Meanwhile, the human ship is a civilian exploration craft. If you are shoving the first manned ship through an unknown anomaly in space, you would likely emphasize reliability and stability of its computer, rather than security. You don't want the nav system to have its "CrowdStrike" moment in the middle of an asteroid field because the pilot has something on his finger and the biometrics don't recognize him. 2. The mechanical translation voice: It is a common SciFi trope to have aliens communicate in ways that are very different from a spoken language. Insectoids that speak through clicks and whistles, or aquatic aliens that have something akin to whale song. For such a species there would be no natural sounding voice for translator to generate, since the thing it is translating isn't just a bunch of different sounding words, but practically a different form of communication. Also, the Vascar might be psyonic, and not communicate with sound at all. 3. Not taking their suits off - probably he smartest idea in all of SciFi! Sure - it is possible they are hiding what they are, or maybe those aren't even suits but a robotic "skin" or exoskeleton. Or maybe Mikri and his team just have proper discipline: It is another SciFi trope that while exploring a derelict or mysterious ship or station, once suitable atmosphere is detected, the explorers immediately take of their helmet. Only to run in to a myriad of possible dangers - from deadly viruses, to alien spores, to just random decompressions or toxic leaks. Just because the alien thing has an oxygen nitrogen mix, does not mean you can take your safety gear off! 4. Not drinking water - if the Vaskar are real aliens, unlike the species we met in NoP, it is more than reasonable they have alien biology, unseen on earth. They don't have to be synthetic to no be carbon based. Water may not be compatible with their biology, even toxic to them. They may have other requirements though, and we have not seen any indication they don't. 5. No toilets on the ship: Most military vehicles on earth, including helicopters and aircraft, don't have toilets. If their ship is only an hour away from home base, it makes sense it is a small craft, not designed for long journeys. It would make no sense for such a patrol craft or short range troop carrier to have amenities such as a galley or bathrooms. It is not meant for long enough stay to necessitate wasting space and power on them. 6. There are 3 species that want to eradicate specifically Vaskar - maybe its a race thing. Maybe because Vaskar are so different other aliens hate them. Could be the asexual reproduction, or the incompatible biology, or fear of telepaths if the Vascar really are psyonic. You don't need to be a robot to have a coalition hate your guts.

Stueymon

Isn't that a plot to a film or Sci Fi show?

Stueymon

Vascar reminds of the neutronians "Tell my wife I said 'Hello'"

Alyssa Wiseman

My money is definitely on the Vascar being AI’s and synthetics; like EDI and Legion from Mass Effect; their cageyness screams it and now not having any water or cafeteria/food or beds on board?? Yeah I don’t buy them being organic LOL And they’re cagey because I’m betting organic life (or just the Elusians) wants to wipe them out because they gained sentience.

Guardian

Apologies if this has already been discussed and I missed the thread. But, my 'WTF' Radar pinged at "we just wanted to make sure you had a legit history." What does that even mean? Granted, I know vaguely what it means, abd given enough time I could totally post a diatribe about it, but wow, the implications. I wonder if that's why the Vascar are so cagey?

Shajenko

It's essentially a universal solvent, perhaps it's also superpowered there.

EliasArt2Life

@Aerowarrier Good point, but a little iffy. We don’t know how much freedom the Vascar have. Mikri is a leader, but was he born/made to be a leader, or did he come into that position? The latter would result in not making synthetics with weapons pre-built into them. Also, imagine the pain of upgrading soldiers when new weapons are made; you would have to build the guns, THEN call all the soldiers in for retrofits, THEN take them apart and upgrade them, THEN send them back out, rather than building the weapons and sending them to the soldiers. Finally, they couldn’t really use built in weapons while in those suits (which they seem to have already had prepared) without destroying the suits. Overall, good thinking, but there are explanations that work for why they would have external arsenals, even if they are synthetics.

Aerowarrier

Small point against that, if they’re synthetic then why bother having weapons lockers and external weapons? There’s no real point to not build weapon systems into synthetic bodies, especially if these are military units that praise efficiency

Aerowarrier

Well considering they don’t breathe oxygen, it’s possible that they view the thing as incredibly dangerous due to how flammable it is. Maybe H2O is even more deadly in this universe

EliasArt2Life

@PhycoKrusk Maybe, but right now I’m assuming the necessities for organic life have minimal differences outside the bubble. I assume this because: A) we have no real evidence of the contrary and, B) if there were any huge differences I think we’d see more signs of fundamental incompatibility with other lifeforms. Think about how quickly Mikri remarked on how strange our engineering was. He didn’t make a similar statement about our biology.

Gryffa

For some reason the sentence "I'm familiar with the molecule!" Has me cracking up😂

PhycoKrusk

Maybe! So far, all of Preston's assumptions have been based upon the rules set in Sol, and not the larger universe. The only reason why we assume that water is necessary for life is because it's necessary for life on Earth. I have no evidence for it, but it is worth considering that Mikri's confusion wasn't because he hadn't considered a requirement for biological life, but that the requirement of water is novel to him. A possibly that I had not yet considered is that Sol is actually an experiment, which would explain why the barrier around it has a door that was unguarded: Not very useful for a prison cell, but if you need to be able to observe your experiment, then it becomes very useful. It would also be an explanation for why the laws of physics appear different there: If there's a species that can project a forcefield that cuts off Sol from the rest of the universe at the Kuiper Belt, then went couldn't that species "adjust settings" within that bubble? Anyway, food for thought.

Ron1990

Do you know Star Trek: The Motion Picture? Perhaps the Vascar are some kind of synthetic beings made of remnants of the lost probes. They can reproduce. They have a faint memory of their creators. And a mission: Search for true life. But this is not the Einstein- Universe, life is different. So the Vascars went to war, to eradicate the untrue life.

EliasArt2Life

Yep. Synthetics. It would be an almost unfair subversion for them NOT to be, at this point. They don’t breathe oxygen, didn’t consider needs like water, and didn’t want to answer basic biology questions. That being said, they seem friendly! I mean, considering that this war they’re fighting is probably because organics want to destroy them for being synthetics, being so accommodating is taking some REALY big risks. Also, I don’t know what’s stranger; being on the other side of the Tellus charade, or the fact that Preston still hasn’t considered that these aliens are synthetics. I hope that Sofia has some suspicions by now.

Aured

This is looking more and more like the Vascar are not biological, or at least extremely different from the assumptions we make about biological beings.

Nachtmund

On another note, these things are still incredibly suspicious. During WW2 the best Ally interrogators gathered information through casual conversation, by building trust with the prisioners. But it seems Mikri doesn't particularly care about that, so I'm unsure. Funnily enough, him being an asshole absolutely disarmed me, and humanized him a lot.

Nachtmund

"Do whatever it is that humans do to occupy yourselves.” *quietly unzips pants*

fastinn

what does that mean?

Alex Page

New Boston? Did old Boston get hit with ANOTHER molasses flood? Also, it seems to me that the physics of the Sol system are less reactive than those of the greater universe because it's just smaller. It's like Newton's third law of motion functions differently depending on the size of the hypothetical box that any given amount of space is contained by. Assuming this is the case, I think it's very telling that the speed of light is in question, as it implies the boundaries of the greater universe are still virtually limitless and unbound. Unlike Sol's.

Gumcel

“‘We’re not a threat,’ I added. ‘I am not so foolish to believe that, Preston, but your colleague speaks well for you both. Very well,’” What about this?

Gumcel

So weird universe or weird robots

RS

"Humanity would be in your debt forevermore.” Hey actually Sofia, you don't need to casually volunteer perpetual debts of the entire species when asking weird aliens for help.

XavHD

So alternative world chemistry. Water is already a relatively reactive species in our universe, which begs the question, what direction is their universe in? Everything is less reactive, making water unusable for live instead relying on more reactive species, or water being to reactive, making life possibly based on stuff like noble gases or stuff?

PhycoKrusk

This is all exceedingly suspicious. I can accept the Vascar being surprised at the request for water: Although it is necessary for life on Earth, it is also easily toxic, a poor conductor, highly oxidizing, and a pretty good solvent for many substances, given enough time. I can accept even the plainly stunted social interactions; even within humanity, there's a stunning spread of ideas on "how to get along." No, what does it for me was the aggressive use of force, and that the response to "We're not a threat" was essentially "Nice try."

Conofrac

Someone mentioned in a comment on the last chapter that the Vascar seemed like synthetic beings. By this chapter, that seems even more likely. The lack of water on the ship and the fact that the atmosphere on their ship wasn't breathable to the Humans until the air on the Human ship had been sampled so it could be reproduced. The Vascar don't need to breath so can accommodate whatever the Humans need.

Space Paladin

The Vascar won’t answer even the most minute details, and Mikri is beyond mistrustful of humans! This alliance and cohabitation MAY not go well…

John Benjamin Cate

We got Vascar, and hiding their form. Now this is quite curious, wonder how they will warm up.

Space Paladin

I’m glad you’ve enjoyed it! You’ve got some solid theories there, though of course I can’t comment too much 😅 this is the first manned crew just to clarify

John Krause

I wonder first i thought they could be a hive mind species but now im leaning towards possibly synthetic life not sure

Alekss Žukovskis

the Vascar seem autistic. Them angering at questions smells like Pathological Demand Avoidance, but on a societal level.

pogman

probably

pogman

They're robots!

ratmanjac

Ok finished my eggs and chalula. Reread the chapter. Yeah i may be wrong lol. It said a ship had passed mysteriously in that sector, and a drone was sent through. I interpreted ship as a manned starship. My theory may have some holes.

Michael Halpern

water is probably considered a deadly poison for others.

ratmanjac

If I'm not mistaken, the beginning exposition mentioned manned missions going in and dissappearing, but I'll reread it and get back to you im making breakfast bro

Nutthadhun Sripukdee

Other humans who made it through the bubbles veil? I thought this was the first manned exploration team.

Alicja

The vascar hiding themselves is kinda like the humans in NOP2. The vascar are dangerous.

Ron1990

Hmm, what if it is a V'GER moment?

ratmanjac

Alright baby 3 chapters thats enough for predictions! Alright so humans are basically super humans outside the bubble. Maybe not like super man, but they're super, man. As for the reason they're super, its because the bubble/prison was either made to or just naturally imprisoned us with gravity, maybe like a black hole or sum, and we're insanely strong because of it. Im guessing the reason the vascar dude was "???" the water request was because its like drinking kerosene for normal biologicals. Also seems like the vascar are robot synthetic whatever you call ems and everyone else (the alliance) is tryna kill em for it, because theyre biologicals. In addition, I think it's likely that other humans who made it through the bubbles veil have also been found, but by the biological alliance, who would probably be terrified frankly. ( though im sure the humans would be well meaning) EVEN MORE CRACKPOT IS THAT SINCE THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS EASILY BROKEN OUTSIDE THE BUBBLE, THE GREAT BUBBLE MIGHT BE A TIME PRISON AS WELL, HOW MUCH TIME HAS PASSED SINCE EACH HUMAN SHIP IF LIGHT WAS SO HEAVILY BENT BY THE BUBBLE??? Super exciting chapter SP! Keep up the great work 👍

Byron Ritchie

oh yeah they're almost certainly a hive mind or at the very least their minds are highly connected

Byron Ritchie

maybe they think our nature is... predatory...

Mysteriou85

I wonder if the Vascar can't lie or have not complexe concept of lie. And for them telling something is alway what their going to do. That maybe explain why Mikri don't understand why human are scared by they beavior. Because for them they will do what they say they will do, not matter the way and don't putting at ease our astronomes is normal because is not needed

DreamEnvoy

It seems the Vascar are suspiciously protective of any info about themselves. Claiming we are a threat. It's like they are so certain we will act a specific way if we learn anything about them.


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