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The Nature of Predators 2-87

🕑 Added 2024-11-15 12:00:13 +0000 UTC

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EliasArt2Life

@Gumcel Thanks!

Gumcel

Better Call Saul, Chuck's mental breakdown.

EliasArt2Life

What’s this a reference to?

Some Lvm

@DemonVee - The consortium knew what the Farsul were - they targeted them in the decapitation strike. And no - it wasn't based on the Ark 3 colonists intel, because the Arks left before anyone on earth knew the Farsul were one of the founding members and key part of the conspiracy. Also, given how distrustful and scared the Consortium acted towards the Ark colonists just because their warp trail led back to the Federation, I seriously doubt they would have tried backing a rebellion. Its one thing if the Feds just discover a mostly herbivorous species like the Krev. Its a whole other deal if the rebellion fails and the Feds learn who was behind it. We will have to wait a couple more days to find out, but no - I just can't see any reasonable way the Consortium would be arming the Ghost Farsul. Than again, I have never seen any of the twists in NoP coming so I guess anything is possible...

DemonVee

It depands on what information was shared between each other, the KCs information gap puts them in the disadvantage. The Ghosts could have told a bunch of half truths to make the KC think they're funding a rebellion so that the Federation rips itself apart. "We're a rogue subsect of the Farsul, it’s for the greater good that we get ships to topple the 'predominant power' in the orion arm." Or given that they don't know much about the Feds, they might have not even known what a Farsul is, making themselves seem like a simple persecuted species.

Some Lvm

@Phyco: embezzling money and stealing some materials is not enough to make a drone fleet. You need a high tech manufacturing facilities. In the real world, China has practically all the money in the world to pour in to chip making, since the government there can subsidize it with deep pockets. Yet, due to embargoes and lack of knowledge they can not build a fab rivaling that of TSMC, and so they remain behind. Where would the Ghost Farsul build their factories? How would the man and operate them? Where would they steal the tech to make the AI needed for drones? I mean, how many Farsul were there in this faction? They sound like a relatively small group that splintered from an already small group of Archivists. Even given a few generations, I can't see them getting to the size of the Shadow Caste which is older, and presumably was able to recruit from the general Kolshian population. It just does not add up for me... @DemonVee: that is the thing - if the Farsul asked the Consortium for weapons as part of any deal, the Consortium would immediately realize the Federation was no longer a threat. Granted, some elements might have wanted to keep that fact from the general public or even the legitimate Consortium government in order to maintain power, but even Nikonous was not stupid enough to actually give Arxur weaponry, so I seriously doubt anyone in the Consortium would give weapons to the Farsul, even if they needed a boogie man to keep the population in line.

DemonVee

I think they might have gotten the ships from the consortium. A deal to be left alone maybe? Their the only faction with the industry to do so, and I found it strange that they didn't have enough ships with the battle against the Feds.

Wesley Rigg

Loxel abridged 6 “Mine! My claims are proven true at last!” Loxsel yowled in triumph, as if he wasn’t up shit’s creek for withholding information about the ghost Farsul. “The legacy of our knowledge, passed down by Sivkits of old! Stolen from my grasp by those shadowy Farsul—woe!”

Wesley Rigg

I would definitely be interested in an official SP AU. If you do wind up writing that, would it be like the Zelda games where there are multiple split timelines that are all equally cannon?

PhycoKrusk

Given the state of Federation cyber security, as well as the size of the Federation, theft and embezzlement are surely viable options. We've also seen that most feddies aren't really keen on asking a lot of questions, including where materials are actually going when they get dropped off in odd locations for strange people (it's not like there is anything to visually separate Federation Farsul from Ghost Farsul).

Gumcel

I’m not crazy. I AM NOT CRAZY. I know he swapped the numbers! 15-A. One after the sivkits, as if I could ever make such a mistake, never NEVER! I just couldn’t prove it, they covered their tracks, they got that idiot at the Underscales to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This obor enterprise? They’ve done worse. That ship, you’re telling me that they hailed them and just forgot to mention it? No, they orchestrated it, The Consortium! They took advantage of refugees for decades! And I stood up for them! And I shouldn’t have. Took them into my alliance! What was I thinking? They’ll never change, they’ll never change. Ever since The Consortium was formed, always the same! Couldn’t keep their claws off the puppet strings. Oh but not our consortium, couldn’t be our precious consortium. Stealing them blind! And they get to lead an interplanetary alliance? What a sick joke! I should’ve stopped them when I had the chance! …And you, you have to stop them! You…

Some Lvm

One thing I don't get about the Ghost Farsul is: where did they get that huge fleet of theirs? The shiny drone fleet they fielded at Grenelka seems to rival that of the Shadow Kolshians, and it isn't the only one at their disposal. But while the Kolshian shadow caste had the resources of the entire Federation to play with, the Ghost Farsul were outcasts even among Feds, having to go into hiding. Clearly, they weren't fully cooperating with the Yulpa, since their fleet only emerged after the Yulan fleet was decimated. Also, they Yulpa didn't get to use any drones, and had to sacrifice actual live to try and fight off the SC automaton onslaught. If they were part of the apparatus building drones for the Ghost fleet, surely they would have used the opportunity to improve their own space forces. So - how does a relatively small group remain completely in hiding while getting one of the more impressive fleets in the galaxy? Given the cliffhanger you might think this is where the Consortium comes in, but would they really be so suicidal to supply advanced weapons to hard core Feddies? And surely they would not have been stupid enough to fall for extortion once they realized the Fasul want weapons. That would have been an admission of weakness.

DemonVee

Esquo got undone 30 years prior to the start of the story, while the humans came 24 years prior, only 6 years after the genocide.

PhycoKrusk

I believe the bombing of Esquo was in 2130, so it was before the war, but not by very much. As for the plan, I feel like the GF failed to correctly predict a few things, but I honestly get the feeling that the biggest wildcard, perhaps weirdly, was Radai.

EliasArt2Life

@Jonathan Cardoso Mota Not a split in the Shadow Caste, which was the Kolshian group, but rather a split in the Farsul; some went on to become the Archivists, the others deemed extinction of all meat eaters preferable and because the Ghosts.

EliasArt2Life

@Space Paladin Can I get a Consortium timeline? I know the evacuation of Esquo started before humans appeared on the galactic stage, but I forget if the bombing of Esquo happened before or after the war. Events that we know happened around the mentioned time period: Gress’ incident, Humans appeared on Tellus, and Gress got stationed as rent collector. We don’t know if which of these events occurred before and after, though. Until Loxel becomes more honest and detailed with his testimony, we don’t have any idea when this record was made (it would have to be after Loxel found the information, and before he escaped). Either way, I hope we aren’t going to swap POVs AGAIN when we’ve been left on THIS cliffhanger. The interesting part FOR ME is how much information the Ghosts must have had: they would have known about humanity on Tellus (don’t forget, humans were still calling themselves humans), the Consortium being allied with carnivores, the Consortium’s stance on the Federation, all the information with the Remnants, and much of the information with the SC and Shield. They had the closest thing to the whole picture out of everyone. The Ghosts are a mastermind-like organization; their strength is how much more information they have than anyone else, and how they use that information. Their weakness is in other people finding that information, so they seek to obfuscate it from others. They need to get as far ahead as possible before their secrets get out. We seem to be at that point right now. That’s strange; to get as much of a lead as possible, the Ghosts should have been trying to stall things. Have humanity just been outplaying them (the stealth raid on the Consortium and the raid on their base)? Or did they allow us to have this information because it’s time? The Jaslips and Arxur are fighting together, grouping two out of 4 hunters in one group, ripe for extermination. Assuming that they (through backwards thinking) thought that humanity and the Bissem would join the Civil War, that would have been all hunters isolated in one group in one system. Could they have thought of that? They used Gojids to initially attack the Bissem. It seems like they may be the kind of foe to manipulate others into doing their dirty work. Hmm… lets wait and see what they’re like as we get to know them.

Heroman3003

Oh, that's fascinating. I never even considered that sivkits could be tied into all that, but with how close Tinsas and Avor were, it only made sense for the Krev to be discovered by someone. I just never imagined it'd be Sivkits. And of course, another few layers of tragic irony stacked onto the interactions. Sivkits protected the Krev, but also left behind the records that allowed Ghost Farsul to find them (and potentially influence them), while the Krev commited a small little warcrime against them. The fact that Sivkits had a similar idea about first contact with the Krev that Yotul have right now is also such a perfect parallel. Both were victims of terrible uplifts, Sivkits much worse than Yotul were, and wanted to spare others that fate... It's interesting to know that the possible influence between the Ghosts and the Consortium is so recent. They really were operating in shadows of the Federation and likely its Remnants all this time. And that's why they are only showing up relatively recently, humanity's expansion is backing them into the corner! I can't wait to find out exactly how the reach-out to the Krev turned out. However, it is worth remembering here that if it was after the Federation war... Then that means that the destruction of Esquo and the Jaslip Enclave oppression really was entirely on Krev's conscience, and not any outside influence. Man, I hoped it was some evil outside influence, but it really was fear and paranoia in the end :( Also, I strongly doubt that the Krev would lead the extermination fleet if they were found and indoctrinated. Not because primates or anything, just because the more aggressive species were ones likely to lead it. I could see the gojid, or the krakotl. If the curing did happen, we'd instead have Captain Radai of the Extermination Fleet. Now isn't that a scary thought, with how much more thretening reskets are compared to krakotl. > Floppy-eared Imperialist I have nothing to say here, I just particularly love this line and wanted to put it somewhere. Anyway, on more personal level, it seems Gress is still in his full Alex Jones mode, imagining all the worst case scenario. The floodgates in his mind have been broken and he is fully convinced Consortium is truly evil and rotten to the core, and perhaps realizing that it's really not, and once you root out the corruption, there's a lot of fixable good there, could be his goal. He worked for the system blindly for many years, not seeing its flaws, and then he saw those flaws and believed the entire system to be evil and unsalvagable. The middle path, of rooting out the evil and preserving the good, is something he needs to see now. Taylor is being healthy and reasonable about it at least, which is good to see. My boy seems to be getting at least somewhat better mentally, though who knows how long that will last, what with Tellus likely being under a major threat, and his boyfriend being a bit of a wreck right now. Also it's nice seeing Cala and Loxsel. The snarky bird with 0 fed-like qualities is precious and lovely, and Loxsel is Loxsel. Feels like it's been a while since we saw either, though that might just be my own perception of time. Either way great chapter and another cliffhanger hnnnnnghhh, this is such a classic SP behaviour I can't even be really upset, looking forward to more.

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

According to a few chapters ago when they were first mentioned, way, way back in the beginning there was an internal split in the shadow caste: There were some who wished to just be RID of predators, not even try to cure the omnivores. Those were, of course, a minority. This minority clearly lost, but they became this group that is being ap roblem now.

Dookus Maximus

So are the ghost Farsul a shadow faction that have existed since before the fall of the Federation in NOP1?

REDemon14

Ooo, that would be rather interesting! If you wanted to explore that without doing a full AU story, I feel like the Feds (both Shadow and Ghost) would've thought of what to do to "gentle" a species. Could do a type of presentation style like "Here are our plans" like the archives sidestory one-shot. If not you (understandable, you are quite busy :3) someone could make a fix exploring that. Really looking forward to whatever you got coming up next

Space Paladin

Glad you enjoyed it! I thought about doing an AU/what if where the KC were cured just to show what they would’ve become 😔

DDDragoni

Oh damn, Sivkits shielding Medieval Krev from the Feds? Crazy how much of an impact that had centuries later

Sci-fi reader

More Cala please! I am imagining a big bird with a Cockney accent.

Alekss Žukovskis

the ghost farsul could be a front for another death-cult. just saying...

Assailant

Absolute cinema

PhycoKrusk

SP, when I made that "Outer Heaven" comment a chapter ago, it was meant as a joke, not a suggestion. I'm not complaining, just explaining.

DreamEnvoy

Ooh, this is getting interesting. The implication that the Ghosts knew of the KC the whole time turned out to be wrong, but they at least had contact no more than 25 years ago. Ironic that the sivkits are the first feds Gress mentioned to hate when ancient sivkits protected krev from becoming feddies themselves. Edit: I just realized that there's a good chance humans were already living on tellus/tinsas by the time the farsul found the krev. Now it's going to get REALLY interesting.

REDemon14

Taylor is still having issues seeing the KC for what it is, especially compared to the Federation’s evil deeds. It may have mistreated him over the course of 24 years, but after they revealed themselves to the Krev, things did get better and for many, was the first time an alien was nice to them. That’s why Taylor is more forgiving of Gress’ fawning of him. (Besides them being a couple that is) He is however able to see how they hurt Gress and that’s bad enough. It’s a good thing that Gress and Taylor have each other in these stressful situations. To keep each other from spiraling too far again. Gress is just *looking* for a reason to vilify the KC and has every reason to after the way he was set up. Considering what we, the readers, know about the civil war situation with Radai going full open war mode, Gress is likely right. So the Ancient Sivkits sent a probe to space with info of their people? First the bunker and now a probe. The Sivkits really seem to be the people who took the most steps to try and preserve their peoples’ history. It’s just unfortunate that the Federation was very involved in the “uplift”. To have a long term recovery plan though? The Sivkit ancestors were a very smart people, which makes what the Federation did to them all the more tragic. Loxsel was so close to getting his people’s data! I wonder how long ago his capture was. He is still in trouble for withholding information on the Farsul though. I'm trying to figure out why he hid it. Perhaps he really is just that scatter brained? So the earliest the Ghost Farsul had the Sivkit probe was at least 24 years ago, if the UN defeated the Federation. The archivist also mentions how humanity returned multiple species to their pre-Fed status, so perhaps it was even later in the timeline. Not only did the Sivkits discover the Krev in their medieval period, they *saved* the Krev by keeping them hidden from the Federation! The Sivkits are some of, if not the, earliest heroes and nobody knew. They sacrificed so much, only for their descendants to be shot at and killed by the descendants of those they protected. While Taylor seems to be handling the guilt of firing at the Sivkits a bit better this time (probably because he hit rock bottom a few times by now), Gress has a new found source of guilt over his part in the attack on the sivkit fleet. I wonder how the KC populace will react to the Ancient Sivkits hiding the Krev, which In turn, hid the other races. The Omnivore species are still themselves thanks to the Sivkits. They will probably be more open to the Sivkits when they move back to Tinsas. (Radai's guilt will probably go through the roof though. ) The Jaslip would have been exterminated (Ghost Feds) or became like the Arxur (mainline Feds) if not for the Sivkits. The Krev would have gone through the same thing with their Obors that the Yotul did with their Hensa and conditioned to hate primates. The Reskets into cowardly, flighty species With little to no honor in their actions. The Ulchid hyper social status could've allowed thousands to protest the government and their aquatic nature would've been a problem. No idea what they'd do to the Smigli, but it wouldn't have been good. It is *VERY* alarming that the Ghost Farsul met the Krev *after* the Tellish. Who knows what’s going on in the depths of the KC government. Looking forward to more!

Byron Ritchie

I feeling that the connections between the Krev and the farsul won’t be like we expect I mean I know that’s just narrative literacy and also super vague but yeah

Michael Halpern

im going to guess that the Jaslip crackdowns got more intensive soon after

John Benjamin Cate

Reveals bringing questions! They knew of the Krev! Made contact! Oooh, the implications!

EclipseDragon96

Could the ghost Farsuls be the reason the Venlil and Sivkits got it as bad as they did?

Alekss Žukovskis

so it was a dud. lets see what the rogue-farsul territory looks like. Make them crumble. terrans should send probes warning civs of these death-cultists.

Yonael Blackwood

Oh no. Where is this going?


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