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The Nature of Predators 2-85

🕑 Added 2024-11-07 12:00:08 +0000 UTC

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PhycoKrusk

Tassi is the only one we've _seen_ notice Dustin missing; she hasn't talked to anyone else about it aside Adam, but that's neither here nor there. Jones absolutely did not predict exactly what they would do; Naltor and Kaisal were clearly easy, but she very clearly did not predict that Tassi would go to Adam with this, which is why we have ended up where we ended up. As for a black site or assassination, Dustin has a family, including a brother who is of some level of fame. If she had him black bagged or killed, she would have to do the same to them, and unlike Dustin who is away from home and can be shuffled away with relative ease, their absence would be immediately noticed by neighbors and media, and questions would start to be asked, and that would cause problems. Doing things the way she did achieves functionally the same goal, except that nobody asks big questions. However, this _still_ produces the same effect on friends and family because they are left wondering where he is and worry about him, which impacts them negatively and affects their behavior and performance. As for Dustin, he reported what Tassi told him about Jones to the relevant authority (wherein it was immediately intercepted), and then dream job literally saving a planet comes along. He passed on his report, it was acknowledged as being received, and as Nulia noted previously, Dustin is an idiot (see the feast after first contact with the Bissems), so why would he do anything other than assume it would be taken care of and go galivanting off to Ivrana? Does that excuse him disappearing? Not really; it just explains why he did it.

Some Lvm

I honestly don't understand how you get all that from reading the main story? I mean, Tassi was the only one who noticed Dustin was missing, and she only confide in Meir about it after he prodded her to do so. She predicted exactly what Tassi, Naltor and Kisal will do, so I find it hard to believe she does not understand people. Also, Jones isn't out to be liked by anyone. She has a job to do that comes with a great personal cost, because most people out there don't like it, even when they understand it is absolutely necessary for their continued existence. And she is willing to pat that price. Keep in mind she could have Dustin thrown in to a black site, or even assassinated if she really though people were just replaceable cogs in the machine. Instead, she arranged a dream job for him to take him out of play just long enough for her plan to work, possibly without him ever finding out he was used. Incidentally - and I can't believe this didn't occur to me before: What kind of A hole is Dustin if while knowing his friend is in trouble, he just takes a job out of self interest and drops of the face of the earth? Didn't he made a promise to Tassi about uncovering Jones' misdeeds? Unless Jones is lying and Dustin somehow was forced or coerced, he has as much blame for Tassi's condition as Jones does!

Some Lvm

Jones is the man! Well, the woman! :P Carefully planned, almost flawlessly executed. The only thing I am surprised about is she didn't have a direct line in to Meir's brain, to know what he was doing with the remnants. There could be two explanations for this: 1. It would have been too hard to make the plot happen if she was too good at her job. 2. There may still be part of the plan she isn't revealing, and letting Meir trigger the inevitable war with the Remnants now, before they could solidify their plans and make a surprise attack, was her intention. Also, Virnt is now officially Frankenstein - he built a creature from parts of dead people and gave it life, but the creature is not a resurrected dead person, but instead an individual of its own. That, or the AI has reached its limits and is now hallucinating. And yeas, I think option B is a lot more likely.

Adam Myers

I did just reading the chapter, lol.

PhycoKrusk

“The survival of a planet outweighs the mental state of one scientist, and you’re more naive than even I thought if you don’t see that.” And there it is. For all she hypes _herself_ up as an expert in espionage, Jones shows here that she has an extremely critical flaw: She doesn't actually understand cause and effect with regards to people. She's sees a person as just the distillation of their specific skills and knowledge, and therefore any one person can be replaced by another with the same skills and knowledge. Relationships don't matter beyond their immediate impacts: Sequester Dustin away, and he no longer influences the larger galaxy. Him suddenly missing with no explanation and having no contact with friends or family, particularly those he worked with, has no impact on anything at all - including the performance of those friends and family as their own mental states degrade due to his sudden absence - as long as he gets replaced by someone with the same skills and knowledge. Jones is exactly the sort of person who manipulates the entire student body in order to be crowned homecoming queen, and then wonders why nobody wants to be around her.

Xilacnog

Given how *Adam* feels like he isn't Elias, that'd make him a sentient AI, not a restored biological person. Meaning the Synthetic Restoration project's main goal successfully failed as they were able to restore the experiences and memories of a person but not ***the*** person.

Xilacnog

If she hadn't pushed Tassi, Tassi wouldn't have gotten involved with the Arxur, Sivkits or Talsk's Farsul. Planting Spyware is pointless without social engineering.

smajo s

Am I missing something here? I don't really see the point of everything Jones did. It seems like all she had to do was switch out Dustin's Holopad and the viruses did all the hard work from there.

Gumcel

"There'd been enough enthusiastic scientists who were chewed up and spit out by a heartless galaxy, just like Elias' friend, Dr. Kuemper--reduced to a sorry, jaded state of giving up on the Orion arm" talking about themes-wrong Using any opportunity to complain about Erin-correct Erin sucks

DemonVee

To be fair on Jones, it has been mentioned that the Yotul were spying on Humanity, and up until Aafa everyone in the SC were still iffy about their commitments and what's really at stake.

Heroman3003

Ahhh, I a 'I didn't want them to spy for me, I just wanted them to be pushed towards the choices by manipulating them into thinking they were spying for me' strategy. A layered, unnecesarily complex plan with 0 trust or reliance on others that worked out, in decent part, thanks to luck more than some genius manipulation. I feel like Jones didn't think this plot was worth that much attention, but decided to reap all the benefits it brought, while pointedly downplaying the risks involved. Though now she's gone from active command structure at least. I also like that both Cora and Hamza do not actually acknowledge Adam as the same person to begin with, but both associate him heavily to his past, to the point where him actually choosing a new name to move on, past his originator's life and trying to create his own is a surprise for both. Even if they didn't think of Elias as same Elias Meier, the idea that he WOULDN'T want to be Elias Meier, or wouldn't think of himself as Elias Meier, just seemed alien and I like that. Hello, Adam, your name is super corny and cheesy, but the man you were founded on was always one for metaphors full of grandeur so it fits you perfectly well. For grander politics, it sounds like we're doing another "Rush A(afa)" strat this time, which makes sense. We do not know if the fleet we met at Grenelka was all of Ghost Farsul forces, or just a portion, and if it's the latter, that'd be a complete disaster. Striking at the heart while you can is the best option. Remnants themselves are disorganized and inefficient, so even if fleets remain, cleaning them up will be much easier without the leadership. What fascinates me the most here is that Sivkits had that information and did nothing with it. This is like third time they refuse to share critical information cruicial to winning the war with the allies they themselves went to and asked for help, and last two times they had no reason NOT to do it. It makes me think that there is some agenda for Sivkits themselves that they're pursuing. Or maybe they are just still Fed-brained enough to both distrust predators entirely AND believe that the Ghost Farsul threat will just pass them by. Which would be oh-so sivkit-brained of them... One last thing I noted is the implication that Nulia and Haliska were strongarmed too. It's possible it's not the case with both of them, but with Nulia likely still holding love for Marcel, even after cutting strings, and Haliska having thafki family that likely need a lot of support... yeah, Jones had easy material to work with there if it was the case (is that where Marcel disappeared off to?). I hold out hope for a reunion, apologies, tears and reconciliations between the entire First Contact team and Tassi still, even if it might be hard for them all. Great chapter, some nice payoffs and we're still going strong right towards learning more about the Ghost threat... I am still so fascinated to learn more about what they are, because I still am sure that like, at least half of what Loxsel said were either his own far-reaching conclusions or ommitted information. Looking forward to it!

Sci-fi reader

Read my second paragraph. You want an illegal facility, staffed by people deployed illegally, to jail a person who had technically done nothing illegal. You are aiming to be Putin’s Russia.

TheDudeAbides

Am i the only one who likes Jones a lot more than Meirs?

DDDragoni

Ah, General Jones. As infutiatingly smarmy as ever. A name change is probably just what Adam needs- a way to seperate himself from Elias and force others to acknowledge it

EliasArt2Life

@Johnathan Cardosa Mota I always feel a little sorry for Machiavelli. His writing were meant to be satire, but the term Machiavellian refers to people who act like his writings were serious. Imagine being remembered primarily for satire, but most people assume you were serious.

EliasArt2Life

@Dookus Maximus Technically, you could argue that the failure was on Jones for not informing anyone about her plans. Think about it; if she had to the UN, “I’m manipulating the Bissem into getting the Arxur to help at Aafa”, Meier would have probably had second thoughts about asking the Remnants to come there.

EliasArt2Life

I just realized that with Meier’s name change, it’s going to match your name VERY CLOSELY. Down to the last name part. (Meier sounds a lot like Myers). My condolences for all the whiplash this might end up causing you. Or maybe you don’t get that with your name.

EliasArt2Life

If you feel that you already expressed this in your comment, don’t worry; I’m just trying to express my thoughts in my own words here. Something I realized halfway through Jone’s defense was that she was trying to manipulate them. She’s trying to keep the focus on morals and ethics, because she knows they get loose and messy during wartime. She’s constantly bringing up Meier and disparaging him because she wants to make it look like he has an old, outdated agenda against her. In reality, even if her actions were justified, and if Meier was doing this solely due to an agenda against her, she’d still have to be dismissed due to all the toes she stepped on. In what government can the Spymaster mess up diplomatic relations with a group of aliens that are important to the government, and NOT inform the head of the government beforehand? Even when she tries to downplay this by claiming that “white knights” would fix it, that doesn’t change the fact that she did it. She didn’t just step out of line; she ran 10 miles away from it and then blew it up with a tactical strike. She has to go, for those reasons alone. I agree; she should not be allowed to continue unofficially working for the UN. It would not be a punishment if that were the case; the spymaster whose crime was trying to gain too much control and dodging supervision would get a job with even LESS supervision.

EliasArt2Life

Oh! A name change! Does that mean I finally can stop getting whiplash from the comments? (Joking) “White knights Meier and Dustin happily swooped in to help and prove that humanity at large wasn’t like that. You’ll win them back over.” You’re saying THAT about someone you previously referred to as a relic and lining in the past? Make up your mind, Jones. Okay, in all seriousness, I’m not going to talk much about what Jones said, because I realized about halfway through that it’s all manipulation and misdirection. Jones wants to avoid punishment so she’s trying to turn this into a morals/ethics argument. She tries to claim that she was justified, that Meier is pursuing a personal vendetta against her, and that her plans resulted in victories for the SC. In reality, none of that matters; the biggest question isn’t if she was morally right or not, but rather if she’s gone too far, and she has. These actions were things that the Secretary General should have been made aware of beforehand (not to mention the Diplomatic corps). There are procedures and regulations that Jones ignored by going ahead with her plans without telling anyone. That ALONE should get her fired (if not tried for treason), and she knows it. She just hope that Meier and Osmani don’t realize it. She also bows out before Osmani fires her so she can slip in an offer to do secret work for them later. Overall, I’d say she got got, but not as much as she could have. She got off easy. I hope she doesn’t return. If she DOES get to do unofficial work for the UN, it would not be a punishment; the spymaster whose crime was trying to gain too much control and dodging supervision would get a job with even LESS supervision. Not a punishment, more like a reward. Will Meier tell Dustin and Tassi about what Jones did? That would crush Dustin. Maybe it would regain a little more trust from the Bissem, though. Especially if they help remove Jone’s spyware. Spyware tends to get discovered, eventually. Better let them know before a new antivirus picks it up. I suspect the raid on the Ghosts base will go off successfully; it sounds like they have many bases throughout the galaxy, so this probably won’t be their main base, but will serve to let us know what we’re up against.

Dookus Maximus

Jones wasn't wrong about the Aafa situation. Meier's intentions were noble but it cannot be denied that they *did* lead directly to the infighting and downfall of Aafa. If I recall correctly, it was the Remnants who fired at the Arxur first.

REDemon14

Spying on your own allies or hopeful allies tends to not be a good foundation for building a good relationship. No matter Jones’ reasons, she did hurt the UN’s standing or at the very least left a mark that could be used against the UN in the future. Jones *immediately* going for the position that Meier is a relic of a previous era is misplaced. If there is one thing that is consistent about humans, it’s that the majority don’t like all the back alley cloak and dagger stuff. I don’t see how 2136 humans would differ from 2160 humans in that regard. Yes, intel gathering has a place in the modern era, but *how* you did it? Pitting people against each other, such as Haliska and Nulia against Tassi? That didn’t need to happen and could have negative consequences in the future with the Thafki and the Gojid. You could have *threatened* Tassi with revealing the Bissem working with the Arxur to her friends instead of jumping the gun and doing it anyways. That, to me, was the first sign that Jones was starting to make small mistakes that could boil over. To even think about getting to Dustin by threatening Jimek’s career. That’s low. Glad to know that she didn’t go through with *that* strat and instead went with the “We have a unique opportunity for you, Dustin. It’s rather secluded, but it’s right up your alley” bit. That would explain why he couldn’t tell Tassi why he didn’t file a report. He was off the grid. “White knights Meier and Dustin” helped keep the allies together. Maybe don’t insult or disparage the people who make your schemes work? They are the only reason your plan bared any fruit. Also, saying that the Arxur would have most definitely saved Aafa if not for the *Meier* requesting aid from the Shield and possibly Remnant, that’s just wrong. First, the KC were a still largely unknown variable in the battle. We knew some of their tactics and the design of the drones, but that was it. Second, thinking that the Arxur themselves would have been the factor to save Aafa. Did she know that just about *all* of the SC backed out of the battle? I think that was a pretty big wrench in the defense plan. “Meier’s unexpected interference”? I’m sorry, wasn’t that the whole reason he was revived? To try to bring the Shield and potential Fed Remnants into a truce to defend the Orion Arm from this unknown threat? Did Ms. Spy Master not know what the plans for her own people were? If so, she is clearly losing her edge. That *one scientist*, is the one chosen by the Bissem! If it was many years later and they were a random Joe, that'd be one thing. Tassi ain't that, Jones! She's high profile. The first. They tend to get a bit of special consideration! You could have organically convinced the Sivkit to tell you where the Farsul bases might be, Jones. The Sivkits probably don't want their cripples roaming free making ships. This could also be an opportunity to smooth things over with them further. You could still spy, but only to confirm, but she seems to be going over a lot of the leadership with her decisions. While I understand that her plans *did work* and even gave the UN a place to target, there are too many places where it *could* have gone wrong so I do expect a resignation. Not a “Oh this is public, but I'll still be working in the background” shot like she was smuggly thinking. No, a full resignation. Adam Meier does have a ring to it. I think it'll help him make an image for himself and to better accept himself. Looking forward to more!

Adam Myers

I enjoyed this chapter and appreciate her getting a good send off.

Byron Ritchie

glad to finally see jones get called out and essentially fired And man all of tassi’s first contact friends have been shitbags

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

"Ends justify the means" is honestly a very wrong read on Machiavel as well His research had shown that you will not be judged either by your intents nor by the actions themselves, but by the outcomes of your actions. And that doesn't mean what you *tried* to do, it means *everything* you accomplished. Not just the final goal you achieved, but *everything* that came from your actions, that includes the collateral. Which Mrs. Spy here failed to account for. Hell, I am very certain half of what she wanted to achieve she could have had those people do for her *eagerly* if she had just asked.

John Benjamin Cate

Poor Tassi. Dustin just left her without even really trying to get that report out. And Jones is such a bastard who can’t admit wrong. Even blaming Meier for the Aafa situation. Dang, great chapter

StormTheSquid

Hence blacksite. No need for a trial. She committed the crime of espionage, and was incredibly bad at it. Blackmail, harassment, stalking, various cybercrimes. The list goes on.

StormTheSquid

No. She's a cruel, ineffectual spook who's gone senile in her old age and started harassing an innocent penguin when she easily could've *gotten with the times* (as she claimed she had) and just hacked the holopad externally and planted her spyware that way without bothering Tassi or the others at all. But no, she's stuck in a mindset that's old and outdated even by irl modern standards. And before anyone brings up the satellite wars and how E-war is frowned upon in the NoP universe, I'll ask why she even decided to use spyware in the first place then. Either she's incompetent, sadistic, or senile and outdated. Regardless of which of those three it is, she doesn't belong anywhere near the field of spycraft.

Sci-fi reader

For what illegal act exactly? You can’t jail people just because you don’t like them. None of the blackmail happened in UN jurisdiction and even if they did, no one would want any of that to come out in a trial. As to use of a black site to jail Jone. Just think about that. You want an illegal institution to jail a human who may committed no crimes against humanity, who done her perhaps distasteful acts for the benefit of humanity‘a survival. What do you think your intelligence agents will do when they know the government does not have their backs and will potentially jail them. Basically you get Russia. The intelligence agencies will take over for their own survival.

Sci-fi reader

All hail General, I mean Ms Jones, director of NOP SHIELD ( which doesn’t officially exist).

StormTheSquid

The justice of a prison cell maybe. Or a nice dark hole in some gulag or blacksite.

Alekss Žukovskis

is there a term in this story, by when all military secrets get publicized?

Roscuro

Adam is cheesy, but expected from him. Just because Jones' plans worked doesn't mean what she did was justified. Ends can justify the means but that doesn't mean better alternatives shouldn't be preferable. I can think of several ways she could have bugged Tassi's pad without emotionally torturing her.

Daniel Guillon

Justice for Jones

Mark Baculna

Oooh

Jhon Bustamante

jones i a necessary evil


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