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The Nature of Predators - Sovlin’s Transcript (9/13)

🕑 Added 2024-11-06 12:00:09 +0000 UTC

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Empi3

Sparing the kid a life of misery was the right choice. That way, the parents could create another good life. Maybe even multiple, instead of being stuck babysitting a lost cause. What's better a half life now, or potentially multiple lifes later?

kabhes

I hope to see more of Aucel, in this or maybe another story. Hunter too.

kabhes

Problem is humans tend to be the nicest people towards the Kolshians, save for kolshians themselves and Farsul.

Ellis Evans

Seconded

PhycoKrusk

@Elias I'll continue to stand by my statement that we don't know what happened between Sovlin and Aucel; we only know what Sovlin _remembers_ happening, and based on the description he does provide, it implies that this happened years ago. Probably more than 10. We all know from personal experience exactly how much the details in our memories get "edited" after 10 months, never mind 10 years. And I also stand by that this begs the question of why present it this way to Sam when she could have (presumably) gleaned all this from his transcript (assuming it's in there). Honestly, I'm inclined to think you are correct again: Aucel represented everything that Sovlin had come to hate about himself, and that we know he still hasn't fully squared away: He excised her from his life because that was as close as he could get to excising his past self from his life. Who knows? Maybe there's a part of him that is convinced that if he hadn't been fooled by the Federation when he was younger - if he had managed to throw off his programming earlier - maybe he could have done something differently and gotten a better hand. Maybe he could have handled Marcel more properly. Maybe he could have contacted Isif when they were both still young men, and started turning the wheels of change in time to save billions of lives. If he has wised up earlier, maybe Hania would still be alive.

TheBlack2007

To be fair: She probably didn't have a good time on Earth at all, being avoided at best and discriminated against at worst by not only humans but also Aliens alike. Doesn't excuse her behavior towards Sovlin - but it does explain her demeanor towards humanity and the post-Federation Galaxy at large.

EliasArt2Life

I’m guessing that you hate this because, if anything, Sovlin should have IDENTIFIED with Aucel for being resistant to change. HE was the poster child of “I will not change my stance on humanity” for the longest time. He was willing to believe we had MaGiCaL MeSmErIzAtIoN PoWeRs before entertaining the idea that we could be anything more than pure evil. (For those who don’t remember, yes. Seriously. That did happen.) Yet he rejects Aucel for being resistant to accepting that her whole world was a lie. It seems hypocritical. Though, to be fair, he reads like he hates and despises his younger, stubborn self, so maybe the hatred of Aucel doing the same stuff is within his character. But either way, yeah. I don’t like what I’ve heard about how he handled it.

Cartoon dinosaur

I was writing some variation of this comment for a fucking hour, going into why I hate this so much, I think I wrote like tree pages, but cut them down because they might be controversial, doesn't change the fact my chest hurts I hate it so much.

Cartoon dinosaur

what boils my blood so much is how Sovlin abandon Aucel, for the unforgivable crime of resisting her whole worldview being uprooted and shredded. Her parents were Monsters Her government was evil and everything she knew was a lie. You know when a cult brainwashes its members they have existential terror? its caused by your worldview being so thoroughly challenged and shattered that you are mentally hollowed out. It is painful and agonizing, It is something most sane people want to avoid. And it does not need to be inflicted by a malevolent party, it can happen like it did in NOP. She believes her parents were good people. Sovlin says they were monsters, It is less painful to believe Sovlin was lying. Predators are disgusting is a foundation of her world view. If she had let go of it she would of been hollowed out. I hate this so fucking much. Please tell me they will have a reconciling? I hate this so fucking much. I feel like punching my wall until all my bones are broken. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

DDDragoni

<p> Ah. So that's why Aucel isn't around. I understand now, I wouldn't want her around after saying something like that either.</p> <p>What happened to Jolvanis... that's fucking horrific. What sort of parents could allow their own child to be murdered just for the way they were born... monstrous doesn't begin to describe it. </p> <p> The more we see these flashbacks to Recel and Sovlin's relationship, the more it puts into perspective just how meaningful Recel standing up to him for Marcel was. And how tragic it was that Recel died without seeing Sovlin redeem himself. </p>

Gumcel

“You’re wise, you listen, you rally and inspire people.” Lol. “Had the Arxur influenced us to be that callous?” “and the Arxur have pushed us to this.” Common Sovlin copium. “I never would’ve imagined a predator would be well-read, especially in works that were truly profound.” My brother in Christ you already saw arxur books in chapter 35.

PhycoKrusk

Actually, all we have so far is his recollection of what happened years after it actually did. Part of me has to wonder if the reason he's this aggressive is because he's subconsciously trying to dissuade others from reading his transcript. I admit, this is speculative, since for all we know his transcript stops before that event, but still. On the topic of Zarn, I believe we've all concluded that he definitely exhibits some sociopathic or psychopathic traits, although I do find myself wondering if he possessed those naturally, or if he learned them as a way to defend himself. After all, not being concerned with what happens to a patient afterwards could easily be him staying in his lane: Every member of the herd has a part to play in making the herd prosperous, and what happens after consultation or treatment is not his department, so he doesn't concern himself with it to avoid getting in the way, which would naturally damage the herd's prosperity. It doesn't have to make sense; it just has to beat a PD diagnosis.

Alicja

that’s geniunley heartbreaking oh my goodness

Space Paladin

Humans would find ways to get the translators to work for this, unlike the uncaring Feds!

EliasArt2Life

Ooff!!! The use of Euthanasia for being born deaf-blind… at least it’s implied that the Federation itself wouldn’t publicly endorse thise actions. Zarn being a erroneously sanctimonious, aloof, despicable excuse for a doctor again! He seems to treat the hypocratic oath as something he can follow by the letter, and does the care about the spirit. Stating he doesnt care what happens to a patient AFTER he has done his job with one breath, then claiming he wouldn’t give up his empathy for anything in the next! Putrid! “but I don’t see how these things didn’t end up in the briefing.” Just a reminder that the Kolsians and Farsul didn’t JUST record us; they cherry picked our worst points/moments and showed THOSE to the Federation like they were the whole thing. I expected as much with Aucel. Some people just can’t adjust to a completely new world (or in this case, galaxy). Although, given what we know about Sovlin and his… lack of tact when he’s angry (he makes Sam look non-confrontational), I wonder if he’s not inadvertently making Aucel look worse than she was? Sovlin said her response was that he “was destroying the memory of her parents, [and she] denied the accusation”. I don’t know, but I think he might have come out demanding an explanation, or something like that. Most people get defensive under those circumstances. Aucel might not be Recel, but Recel told Sovlin of his own free will, when he was ready. Aucel had it sprung on her. And then the fight that happens afterwards? Honestly, people say a lot of things they don’t fully mean when angry. And if Sovlin kicked her out during that fit of rage, that’ll be what she remembers if she ever thought of going back; Sovlin’s furious face telling her to get out. I just wonder; if we saw that fight from Sovlin or Aucel’s perspective, rather than hearing this recollection of events from Sovlin, would Aucel still look like she’s in the wrong? Unfortunately, Sovlin’s account is all we have. For now.

REDemon14

Yep. Sovlin confirms as much in chapter 110 of NoP when he talks to a therapist. Also think it was brought up in the Zurulian side story

Alekss Žukovskis

is forced sterilization canon though?

Kennedy Skelton

So, Sam would speak Auslan, while I'd expect Talpin to have either created a sign language for gojid or learned the most common human one (presumably ASL?) ... will we finally have the translation tech working for sign language?

Yonael Blackwood

Man, fuck Aucel.

Space Paladin

<3

DreamEnvoy

So Jolvanis... that's pretty fucked up. Even the Feds must know it's fucked up if they decided to falsify the cause of death. How hypocritical that they accuse us of culling the weak when that's what they do themselves. "What the predators—the fucking predators—did was actual compassion, which required truly inconveniencing and giving of themselves; going out of their way to help without consideration of the “burden” on the pack." Favorite quote of the chapter so far. Knowing Aucel, I'm not too surprised that she left Sovlin. Not just because of her overwhelming bias against predators, but because it's difficult to accept the evils of those close to you especially when they are deceased. Looking forward to next chapter. I hope that Talpin will be able see how much Sovlin has changed.

un_pogaz

Okay. Fine. I'm upset. I'm very upset, but I can't find the right word for how upset I'm for what we've just learned about Jolvanis. I think what upset me the most is the cover-up, it's so hypocritical. But it also puts into perspective the absolute terror that Solvin must felt when he discovered and explained to the humans that Talpin was deaf. It wasn't just anti-predator ideology, it also landed *way too* close to a thing he knew for real. And I'm 100% with Solvin: After such words like that, Aucel really had absolutely no right to stay under this roof. I can understand that Talpin has a bad opinion of Sovlin, in addition to the torture of Marcel, Sovlin is also a "representative" of the Federation in the eyes of Talpin, and we know how the Federation has badly treated Talpin. Sovlin has made it abundantly clear that he regrets and apologizes for his actions, but also that he is not "the Federation", so I'm sure he will clarify this misunderstanding.

Byron Ritchie

Jolvanis’s story is pretty dark it reminds me of the infant incinerators the imperium of man has

John Benjamin Cate

This was so dark, and so realistic. Just an absolute tragedy of a story. The death of a child, just because it would be too hard to work with helping them. Just awful.

Heroman3003

Jolvanis' story is... dark. Super dark. Like, I expected something like that from Federation, but to actually hear it... Is different. Especially from young Recel's mouth... But what hits me more is how that is what caused the rift between Sovlin and Aucel. That's sad to hear how she never managed to adapt. I do feel like Sovlin's partially to blame there. He already admitted that he was heavily projecting Recel onto her when she was nothing like him, but that doesn't just apply to her thoughts on Jolvanis' fate, but everything else. If she was this unhappy on Earth and still saw humans as predators, it's likely she never had help adjusting or learning, and Sovlin quite possibly left her metaphorically hung dry, growing with bitterness and resentment rather than getting the support she actually needed, all because she thought that like Recel, she'd just eventually come to like them. That makes me hope that Sovlin will be willing to change his mind and at least try getting on speaking terms with her again. Or maybe the other way around, maybe she'll reach out after somehow learning that he's going around talking to people who were in his life. It would be sad to know that his attempt at making a family had such a painful breakdown with no closure for either side. That said, Helen Keller's story is interesting and cool. A nice tidbit of lore to further buildup the story. I also like how Sam is pushing past her own pain so hard for Sovlin. Sure, she's not trying to ostracize deaf people, but this is her going out of her way to get a meeting with one, knowing it will be a painful reminder, for someone else's sake. Good gal Sam. But it does feel like we're running out of people to meet... Now that we know Aucel is gone, I can only think of her and Kiara as potential meeting subjects after Talpin and after that Sovlin's story will likely draw a conclusion... For now I won't think of that and instead hope for the best in Talpin's meeting. I do hope the young hedgie won't be too harsh on the bald grandpa... Great work as usual, looking forward to more! P.S. Oh god the Daylight Time means that the chapters now come out an hour later the horror

REDemon14

Now onto finding Talpin! Huh, interesting how the Gojid didn’t move back to the Cradle. Perhaps it has too many bad memories to the people who escaped? I wonder who they blame most for that, besides the Arxur of course. Talpin is the first person to give some pushback to wanting to speak with Sovlin. Perhaps he blames Sovlin for the fall of the Cradle and the death of his father. Sam plays interpreter once again. If I remember correctly, last time she talked to Talpin, Carlos was still alive. I wonder if that will come up. Little Recel will always be cute and retrospectively sad. Oh, *OH*. Oh God! That’s horrible! And sensical in the Fed’s mindset for the value of life. In actuality though, it had nothing to do with the fact that a deaf-blind individual wouldn’t be able to live life to the fullest, it’s that they couldn’t be *used* by the powers at play. That’s also likely why they didn’t do much for the disabled, they were only seen as broken pawns. Hellen Keller is a true legend and an embodiment of the indomitable human spirit. Federation “empathy” was only so far as what is convenient. Human empathy in a good amount of civilizations was what was right. None of this made it into the briefing because it would have hurt the Federation’s wider narrative. One contradiction is enough to invite doubt. The existence of PD facilities and what they do to their “patients” including the *forced sterilizations* is literally a definition of “culling” you are removing these people from the gene pool and wider society. I’m not all that shocked about Jolvanis. Yeah, that reaction is about what I expected of Sam. Me too, Sam. Me too. Aw, Aucel. You were doing so well last we saw you! However, when you are confronted with contradicting info to a preconceived image or idea that you have, you can regress quite far. If she did truly still see some good in the federation that killed both her brothers and used her people as hostages and sacrifices for their war against the humans, then she was beyond convincing, especially after her comments. I do hope she could have a bit of a coming around or an awakening, maybe near or at the end? Answer author’s notes directly: Federation ableism is believable in so far as they only believe in *useful* people. Hearing the falling out between Sovlin and Aucel is quite sad, but sometimes it happens. Maybe Sovlin could have handled it a little better, but he's always been the type to face an issue directly, for better or for worse. I could see Talpin going either way when it comes to Sovlin. I think he will hold some disdain for Sovlin.


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