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The Nature of Predators - Sovlin’s Transcript (8/13)

🕑 Added 2024-11-02 11:00:09 +0000 UTC

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RaptorRed

"The cranky Gojid" Sounds like a good name for a bar.

Gavin Pierce

Prions I believe might. But they are a rare cross species jump disease

Alekss Žukovskis

diseases don't transmit between extra-solar species. keep that in mind.

REDemon14

:D

Xilacnog

You know, just for the irony of it. Sovlin's going to get rabies from being bitten by a dog.

Space Paladin

As Randall put it, I love seeing your reviews as well, Red. Your driving in Halo…not so much 😋

Space Paladin

No, thank you! 😅

Michael Morse

Wow what a way to end the chapter. Really adds weight to what he’s going through.

Gumcel

Borjor time.

Randall Kramm

As a hero to the people, whatever his motivations were, his words did matter, and he did blow the lid off of the conspiracy. He was a hero more times than he can count before then and continued to be so after. If anyone deserves a happy ending and to forgive themselves, it's him.

Randall Kramm

Honestly, given Gojid scavenger nature, he might find it amazing.

Heroman3003

Ahh... So, the old man finally admits the true cause of his pain and suffering. At first he thought humans were monsters because of their diet, but when he realized that's not the case, he started believing that HIS diet was the only thing preventing him from being a monster, considering all the evil and pain he has committed and inflicted. That's painful, but understandable. Clinging onto the one thing he felt was good about him, because 'surely theres nothing else thats good left', because to admit that the 'one good thing' is simply neutral would make it evil. Even if the good was still there, just that he refused to see it. It's interesting to see the talks between Anton and Erin. A glimpse at humans' feelings in aftermath of BoE was definitely not on my metaphorical bingo board for this series, but I like it! And Kuemper's regret at ever sharing the discovery is a painful parallel to Tassi in the current series. They truly are kindred souls... I also like the idea that humanity was worried about actually becoming the monsters they were called. It's definitely the right kind of HFY that they showed strength by NOT doing that and by taking the higher, better road than their hateful opponents, but the very fear existing is definitely a good thought to hear. And it looks like Sovlin is finally considering taking the plunge... Oooooh, he's gonna eat that burger and I still bet that he'll just go "...it's whatever" with 0 deception or attempts to veil excitement. It would be a very interesting metaphor for his struggles~ Looking forward to his upcoming meetings with other people of his past and how he resolves his turmoil! Great work as usual!

Randall Kramm

Maybe, eventually, his new family will get it through his bald head that he may have done terrible things, but he's made up for them by helping to take down the manipulators behind making everyone's lives an existential horror of just waiting to be eaten. The trick will be getting him to believe it himself.

Randall Kramm

I love how in-depth your reviews are when you give them. <3

Randall Kramm

Most likely he will never fully get over it but will learn to live with it, to accept that what he's gone through, and that what he fears, are all part of himself. Maybe he'll even learn to love himself, again, as much as the people around him do.

Randall Kramm

It's extremely realistic, it takes so long to let go of trauma unless you work at it. It is a form of brain damage, with neural connections constantly reinforced every time anything that reminds you of 'the bad things' comes up. I know, I'm in my fifties, just a few years older than Sovlin when we first saw him in NoP, and my trauma happened earlier than his. I feel it still, it twists me up inside when I think about it, but now it's just pain, an old familiar ache a heartfelt wish that no one else should ever go through anything of that sort, and a deep connection to anyone who has. One thing that can help is just knowing you're not alone, that others have felt similar pain, have gone through horrors, and just doing your best to lift others when they stumble. That's life, it happens to everyone, sudden weird often painful life.

Byron Ritchie

Fair enough I apologise

Randall Kramm

I do feel for Baldy the Hedgehog. It is a long and hard struggle to let go of self-loathing. Let's not forget he hated himself long before the events with Marcus, how his heroic career came about from no longer fearing death, from actually WANTING it nearly as much as he wanted to punish every predator he could get his hands on for what he had to see. He may never fully get over it, but at least his adoptive family constantly accepts him and loves him, even if he is a crotchety old loon. He does need to see that meat can't turn him into the monster he fears is just below the surface, and that he will not become like a Dominion Arxur just from consuming vat-grown proteins. To me, Sovlin is one of the greatest and most realistic characters in all of NoP(Ok, maybe Taylor, but they're pretty neck and neck, the damaged goofs). And now for my little tribute to him, to the tune of the old SatAM Sonic theme: Bald Streak...scoots by, Sovlin the Hedgehog Gojid! Too bald for the naked eye. Sovlin the Gojid! Sovlin! He can't really move! Sovlin! He's got an attitude! Sovlin! He's the crotchetiest thing alive! Look out when he swears through. Sovlin the Gojid! Don't pout when he insults you! Sovlin the Gojid! Sovlin! He can really swear! Sovlin! He's got to wear 'underwear'! Sovlin! He's the oldest Gojid alive! He's the oldest Gojid alive! He's the most racist Gojid alive!

Randall Kramm

*Full Recovery is sadly never, as much trauma as he's gone through. You can come to grips with it, you can learn to live with it, you can even forgive yourself, but the trauma will remain, no matter how scarred over. It's a fact of life, trauma is a sort of brain damage and is with us our whole lives. No matter how small that part of him gets, it will always whisper to him that it was his fault, that he is just a monster waiting to happen. Now, I may not know for sure all of what I speak about, but I have personal experience with CPTSD and recovery methods, so while I may not know everything, I do know a good bit from my own experience. I hope he can get to the point he can just hear the little voice in his head, and then tell it to shut the fuck up and go back to its room, that's usually the best most of us can hope for.

DDDragoni

Poor Sovlin... he's so wrapped up in his own self-loathing that he can't see all the good he's done- both for his new family and the galaxy as a whole.

Byron Ritchie

Well at least sovlin is finally on the path to a better state Also I wonder if Anton had a role in the pardoning of the extermination fleet’s child soldiers? Edited to fix a misconception

Dookus Maximus

This was such a good chapter. Sincerely. Thank you, Wordsmith.

REDemon14

As I mentioned before, Sovlin's guilt would have only *grown* as time went on. Anton starts seeing how Sovlin could do what he did to Marcel. Lifelong propaganda and veiled threats (PD facilities) are enough to keep most people in line. Add to the fact the loss of Sovlin's family being the ultimate reinforcer of said beliefs, you have Sovlin's mindset. (at the time anyways) "If it's any consolation, I only see a monster when I look at myself too." Poor Sovlin. Still, I'd say he's *more* monster than most humans since he actually *did* hurt an innocent human and enjoyed it while the reverse never happened. At least he came to that conclusion eventually. Huh, this is the first time we get a 2151 transcript from someone other than Sovlin this story. Just something I noticed. I'm not sure the cloned meat could be considered "Carcass food" as Sovlin puts it. A carcass is defined as "The dead body of an animal" if the meat has a molecular structure of animal tissue but was never alive, I don't think it's a carcass. It's nice to see Anton live up to his conviction of everyone deserving a trial, something humanity was never given. Some would argue humanity is *now* on trial with our SC allies in the 2160's. He's a bit more sympathetic of the former omnivores (the krakotl getting the most pushback, though) He's was willing to represent the Officers of the bombing. Who want's to bet the biggest defense after they learn they were omnivores would be "Just following orders". (There is a limit to humanity's grace though, Kalsim still had to be represented by a Venlil) Sad to see that Erin's loss of faith or wonder in the wider galaxy occurred so soon, though I don't blame her. Looking forward to Sovlin and Talpin catching up. Normally, I wouldn't say Sovlin needs to eat meat to prove he's not a bad person, but considering he still sees those who do eat meat as morally lesser, he might need to make that jump to understand it's not the meat eating that makes one evil, it's how the meat was acquired. "I hoped that I could still see myself as a person after I contaminated myself in the same way as the Arxur who ate my daughter alive." THAT. That is *the* thing holding him back from being able to fully embrace anyone who eats meat. A lot of people in the story thinks it's the Fed. brainwashing. I think it's that one moment. He might not even realize that when he seee meat, a little part of his brain remembers that that was what his daughter was reduced to in the end. All the mornings waking her up and all the nights laying her to bed. All the holidays spent making her happy. Her first steps and her first words. All the love and memories. Just to become another piece of meat in the end.

un_pogaz

Solvin is in a really *really* serious dissonance. He's made a lot of progress, sincerely and honestly, and at the same time he's completely stayed put. It's really hard to see daddy hedgehog so in conflict with himself. And, I can see where this story is going to end: it's going to be the Hamburger. And honestly it could really solve that. Next time, we'll be back with one of the favorite boy of everyone. The last time we saw him was in 2140, and he'd finally got to grips with his life, realy curious to see how he grow up.

John Benjamin Cate

Sovlin has complicated feelings going on, still things to work through. I love how it’s taken time for him to fully change.

DreamEnvoy

“I’m s-sorry. If it’s any consolation, I only see a monster when I look at myself too.” Damn It seems like Sovlin is avoiding meat not because he's clinging to the idea that it'd make him a monster. But because he's clinging to the idea that he is a monster in so many other ways that eating meat would complete him. Thus I hope he realizes that, by regretting his past actions, they don't define him. He needs to come to the realization that he's not entirely the monster he thinks he is. “Her word didn’t matter, so I think that…maybe people hear what they want to hear. It coming from me wouldn’t have made a difference.” Sadly, yes. Some people immediately make up their minds, thus it becomes wasteful to try to convince them otherwise. “Still, I hope that one day, you’re able to say it with conviction, Sovlin—that predation doesn’t make you a monster. I suspect that’s tied to amending your views on yourself first.” *nods* Looking forward to him meeting Talpin again. Talpin certainly didn't have a favorable view of Sovlin last they met, so it'll be nice to get some closure on that. See what eventually became of the little deaf gojid.

EliasArt2Life

Hi. I was up early today, and thought that I’d try to be first just this once. “There was no reason to hide people that we would’ve willingly helped, since we weren’t compassionless monsters.” That’s a part of the fear of humans “culling the weak” that I always had on the back of my mind; how many others suffered, when they could have been helped, because of that fear? Maybe it’s best that we don’t know. I think Anton hit the nail on the head, though not in the same order that I perceive it as being. I brought up in NOP1 that Sovlin was clinging to Federation teachings as a grounding mechanism; a bit of normalcy when everything else was breaking down. However, given this new perspective on him, I think that there’s another side to this; I think that Sovlin has link his self-hatred with his thoughts on humans. He keeps bringing up how he was no better than humans, bringing himself down to our level rather than raising us up to his. He NEEDS humans to be monsters so that he can keep believing that HE’S a monster. After all, if he’s no better than humans, and humans are decent people, that doesn’t say much bad about himself. That’s likely also why he still clings to the Federation as “ the one island of civility [he clings] to.” The Federation isn’t civility, but rather another, opposing stance on what civility is; one that is happy to frame him as a monster. For Sovlin to recover, for him to let go of his hatred, he may first need to deal with his unresolved feelings about humanity and the Federation. That’s not a guarantee that it’ll fix his problems; if he doesn’t try to overcome his self hatred, he could end up making it worse. He could end up feeling like a monster while thinking humans are civilized people, which would add isolation to his burden. However, if handled right, he can overcome this, and eating meat may be exactly the medicine he needs to get started. Also, looks like we ARE going to see Talpin again! Yay! Although, bracing myself for some… pointed words towards Sovlin.


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