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The Nature of Predators 2-70

🕑 Added 2024-09-05 11:00:07 +0000 UTC

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Laura Brubaker

I think it's possible that Dustin told Meir directly... and Virnt/Jones erased that data. He's compromised, and I think we'll first see it not in him acting out of character, but him missing/forgetting crucial information and/or knowing information he shouldn't

richfiles

I was so confused when the memory transcription header was a time of day, not a date... It just hit me... Wow...

PhycoKrusk

@Vee Luckily, he really isn't _that_ good. Tassi seeming enraptured could easily be a combination of someone taking her seriously, actually listening to her grievances and agreeing with them, and that someone being Elias goddam Meier. I imagine most people — even non-Americans — would be starstruck if they were raising a serious concern about an even more serious threat to the stability of the future, and the person listening to and clearly agreeing with them was the recently revived John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Secondly, the Remnants never sided with Humanity; Meier asked them for help, they told him to go sit on it, and then on the day, they showed up unannounced and started attacking the fleets defending Aafa to "liberate" it, and then when this inevitably resulted in the planet's destruction and untold billions of deaths, they pulled a Kaisal and blamed Humanity for everything. They only thing Meier convinced them to do was +10d6 worth of sneak attack damage.

Aured

looks like we're going to get an Arxur/Jaslip alliance!!

James

The Yotul in general, thought they would be best friends with the UN, but they are petty and unforgiving. They spent 20 years being under a boot that they now want to be the boot. They are just as responsible for keeping the cycle of hate going.

Kevo

Who’s the leader of the boss penguins anyways? There all generals or is that the thing? The yotul are plotting to kill the feds for sure

Wholesome Redditter

Politics meet body horror

DemonVee

Now that you mention everything, it makes me think it's possible he could already be compromised in a different way that others have speculated in the past. I don't think this is Meier anymore, not in a sense that a clone isn't the same person as the original, but rather that he could be a distinctly altered copy. NoP1 Meier was good. He had a good grasp of diplomacy in an impossible situation, and was willing to make hard choices for the greater good. However, as I'm looking over NoP2 so far retrospectively, I don't think he was ever "this" good. Meier1 erred, he made an immoral call to supress the rights of his people even if it seemed necessary, he made a gamble that ended up in billions of deaths across the Orion arm and almost gave way to hatred after the battle of Earth. Meier1 was good, but so far Meier2 almost seems like a saint in comparison. Convincing Humanities greatest enemies such as the Yulpa, the bastards who think about nothing but burning Humans, to side with them for the battle of Aafa. His sway over various characters, this entire conversation with Tassi. He was a great diplomat, but never to the same point as here, where Tassi almost seemed "enchanted" by Meier's words. The UN wanted a savior, that's basically what they stated when he woke up, and I think they manufactured one from the remnants of Meier's mind, juicing up his best qualities and suppressing anything negative, along with super natural charisma skills to create the perfect leader for a divided Galaxy, just as DiMA had done for Far Harbour and Children of Atom. ------- If this is the case, I honestly think Jones would already be at the helm of the project, and he's acting exactly how she intended. Essentially trying to create a Yang to her Yin, a naively positive force for the Galaxy, while she serves as the pessimistically clandestine one under the scene. Maybe almost mimicking the Federation dynamic. My first fear was that she might edit out Meiers memory of the incident, and maybe try going after Tassi (which could prompt her to get a scan as proof) not as much to actually puppet Meier fully. Though now I have a feeling she might want to force Meier to play the part, despite his hopes of freedom from the political life.

AnAbsoluteVillain

All our actors are on the table. It glorious watching them take sides, especially when they pick the worst ones.

Some Lvm

I have to disagree with your political analysis, at least in part. Onso probably has his position because of his ties with Kaisal - anyone who can manage relations with the Arxur, has to be enough of a diplomat, even if they get carried way with tech stuff now and then. The Zurulians are useless. They always have been, they always will be. Sure, they have great medical expertise, but when it comes to politics and war, they belong on the sidelines. Cupo was never on board the carnivore train, so if his successor does have his vision, its not helpful. And I really don't understand your problem with Kaisal: He seems to me very reasonable. Especially after the call we witness in this chapter! He isn't calling for glassing the Remnants, just taking out their ability to be a threat, especially the Yulpa, which is one species I still insist should have been glassed 20 years ago, and should have been glassed by the UN, to make a point to the galaxy at large. Here is a thing: if a species like the Arxur can after centuries of fascist rule and eugenics turn their society around in 20 years while in isolation, the Yulpa have no excuse for being the way they are to this day! I say they are irredeemable as a species.

Some Lvm

@DreamEnvoy: don't worry, mine are usually longer, can't help it :P @arthur: that is a possibility, but honestly he kind of deserves it...

Some Lvm

Or, Virnt can just implant the memory of that in his thought matrix, let it assimilate, and have the same result. No need to waste hardware resources when you have efficient code!

Some Lvm

I sincerely hope not! She is the UN's biggest asset, and they will need her now more than in the last 20 years. Meir will just have to get off his high horse and forgive what she did to Tassi.

Some Lvm

I believe I commented on the previous chapter that Meir was compromised. It does not even matter what Virnt will or will not do. The fact there is a console in his room that can be used to both monitor and control Meir anywhere in the galaxy in real time, make Meir a threat to public office! He is a walking spy camera, and he can be controlled. Jones does not need to get up from behind her desk or bother with threatening Virnt - her people more than likely can (probably already have) crack the link and let her "pilot" Meir from her office... [SIDE TRACK WARNING!!!] Incidentally, I just finished Far Harbor. The DLC is over 8 years old so I don't count this as a spoiler but... The "best" outcome in the main quest is if you secretly kill the leader of the Children Of Atom and substitute him with a synth who will pacify the cult. Now, this "High Confessor" is a character that deserves to be carved up and cemented in to a wall, I have no qualms about that, but the idea of replacing someone with a human looking robot to control public opinion? Nuking the Nucleus seems less disgusting to me... And then you also learn DiMA did the same to Far Harbor, murdering and replacing their leader. I really wish there was an option to get Kasumi out of Akdia before concluding the main quest... I can still rat them out the BoS after the main quest is over, but then I don't get the perk for wasting Acadia... [/SIDE TRACK WARNING!!!] Why am I finding so many parallels between NoP and Fallout 4 lately?

Some Lvm

Wow! I knew the Arxur were reform, but for Kaisal to actually admit publicly he is going to target ships and manufacturing, rather than indiscriminately glassing whole planets... And yes Kaisal is absolutely right - the Fed ideology has to go! It is 23 years overdue to finish it up, and if the UN and SC are not on board, so be it! Maybe some good can come out of the Consortium after all... It is sad that Tassi flipped on Meir - she had the right idea about him at the start. But I guess it can't be helped... She is a naive idealist way out of her comfort zone, and the AI Meir clone still has some charisma left from the original human.

Sci-fi reader

Go God Emperor, I mean Acting SecGen Meier. Exterminate the exos, I mean make peace with our alien friends. Also, when will Onso make an appearance in a red and gold power armor?

arthur D. gonzalez-martin

or Dustin is in some space black site somewhere.

PhycoKrusk

In the last 16 hours, I've done almost a complete 180 on Kaisal: He's a brat with a superiority complex, and he is presently throwing a gigantic tantrum because his toys aren't playing the way that he wants. It's clear to me now that Raza was the successor, not Kaisal, yet here we are. In the absence of King Richard, the People must contend with Prince John.

PhycoKrusk

Kaisal is a narcissistic bully with a superiority complex and a vendetta against the universe. He is behaving exactly the way we should expect him to behave.

PhycoKrusk

@Guardian The button is definitely pushed, but not without a sensible reason: When we see the word "corruption" in connection with a political body, it usually does refer to someone benefitting improperly. However, I am using the word for its more general meaning: The UN has become corrupted; its original purpose has been lost and it has become something entirely different. Even after it gained more power, the UN was to be a forum for members to peacefully resolve disputes and collaborate to solve problems larger than what they could alone. Perhaps it still does that inwardly, but outwardly it has become a tool for brokering personal and political favors not between Humanity and xenos, but between xenos and other xenos. This corruption has spread to the Coalition as well; neither one is serving the purpose they were envisioned to serve, and in largest part, this is because most of the original leaders are no longer present, and most of their replacements do not share the same vision that they had. The Zurulians are still pretty great because Chauson is still at the helm. The Venlil are still pretty great because, while Tarva is not there, Laisa is her protege and has the same vision that she did. Onso never shared Laulo's vision. Quipa might share Cupo's vision, but she lacks his foresight and reasoning. Kaisal has neither Isif's vision nor his foresight and reasoning; he's a bully with a vendetta against the universe, and I suspect now that he's in the position that he is because Isif became incapacitated and there was no better option (which unfortunately does not bode well for Raza). The UN and the Coalition are in the states that they are because those who built them did not properly instruct their successors on how to maintain them; this is why only the Zurulians and the Venlil are on the right path. Now that Meier is here, maybe he can finally pull the car over and do some badly needed maintenance or, if that proves to not be possible, at least steer onto a road instead of going through the forest.

Dookus Maximus

Yeah but Anthony still has a point. The ark colonists had no authority to declare war on anyone, so it would be silly for their existence to be announced to the rest of the SC as if they were responsible for sending out the KC drone fleets to attack those three planets. If that is indeed how the information is presented to the SC my palm is going to be leaving a crater in my face.

Dookus Maximus

Missing seemingly inconsequential biological functions have already been driving him mad. Putting him into a supercomputer with no body at all would probably be the worst thing you could do.

PhycoKrusk

What we're seeing is just the natural result of a technocracy: Technocrats don't pursue the interests of the organization they belong to. They might at first, but over time, they project more and more of their own interests onto the organization, and then pursue those to the exclusion of the organization's actual interests. Given enough time, technocracies always fail. (Onso actually demonstrates this very effectively with his minutes long presentation on the various technical aspects of the newest weapons developed, and how they fared against the Consortium. Certainly of interest and value to an engineer, but practically useless to a diplomatic body. He's an expert on engineering, and with enough time as a Coalition representative, he has both projected g his own interests into the organization, and convinced himself that he is an expert diplomat as well)

PhycoKrusk

Don't feel too bad for Kaisal: This particular wound is entirely self-inflicted. He's demonstrated repeatedly that he has a superiority complex, and this is compounded by the fact that he's never perceived his inability to get ahead as the result of him being inadequate in some way; it's always been because others were holding him back. Now, he has power, and he's throwing a tantrum because in spite of that power, he's still not getting his way and people who should (in his mind) be obeying him are instead resisting him. He's the exact same brat that he was 23 years ago. The only difference is that now he has the ability and opportunity to drag the entire Collective down with him. The Arxur need King Richard, and they're stuck with Prince John. ETA: Naltor has one significant advantage over Kaisal; even when he gets heated, he keeps his cool, and he has the emotional maturity to consider the question, "How will doing this benefit me and my people?" before releasing information. Kaisal, by contrast, doesn't keep his cool and is only emotionally mature enough to consider the question, "How can I use this to hurt others as much as possible?" This ties back into what I commented earlier; Kaisal does things with the intention of harming others, and then is surprised when there are consequences.

JaxonJak

Meier, your dedication to peace through dialogue is admirable. BUT BOI YOU BETTER GET TO WORK ON PRODUCING A BIG ASS STICK IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE SOFT TALKING.

Guardian

@Neu5Ac: I don't believe it's SP's style to introduce a character in bonus content just be offed immediately.

Adam Myers

I get ya, hence the necessity for her to face the music.

TheBlack2007

I honestly don't remember how Onso even became a diplomat in the first place. As you said, he was an engineering hotshot, first working in the Hensa conservation and repopulation effort before probably switching over into the defense industry after all (to complete his arc as r/NCD shitposter) but holy shit, he's not a diplomat.

Guardian

Not that this is anything new, but the "What's in it for me?"-vibe is getting that much more distinct as time passes in the narrative.

TheBlack2007

Honestly, the Arxur might need just that to fully realize what they have done and how there's no coming back from it at least for the foreseeable future. What they have inflicted upon the Galaxy for 300 years was so unspeakably monstrous you can't even blame anyone for wanting nothing to do with them. Of course everyone considers them monsters because not only is eating people considered not normal even by other obligate Carnivores but also did thew Arxur turn that act of barbarism into a form of ritual to be savored by everyone participating, with an entire supremacist ideology revolving around antisocial behavior, cruelty, sadism and de-sapienization of others. It's clear to me it's probably the betterment-inflicted anti-social traits getting in their way but it's really rich how Kaisal seems to believe freeing the sapient cattle and committing their raiding fleets to the scrapyard was anything but the barest of bare minimums, if not a mere negotiating chip for the humans to advocate against either the herbivores within the SC, or the Shield to just finish them off whilst they were busy fighting among themselves. Listening to Kaisal makes me realize just how much of that ideology is still prevalent within their culture. Sure, they no longer keep sapient cattle but they didn't change a thing on their outlook on other species, especially herbivores. They put it all off as indoctrination when even the Bissem, a fellow Predator race with their own, justified grievances towards the Federation calls them out for what they are at their literal first contact - which wasn't even voluntary on their part, since Onso coerced them into it. Maybe the Arxur actually need to be told to f... off by species entirely untainted by Federation meddling to finally wake up.

TheBlack2007

The Technocracy government likely was plugged into the livestream just as much as the UN. The humans and Yotul are the two leading military powers within the SC and apparently, the scouting mission that led towards the boarding action was a joint endeavor. Still utterly disappointing they wouldn't even think twice before abusing such delicate information for political gains, especially considering they were among the "Original 4" who pledged support to Earth when humanity was still the absolute underdog - with much of the fandom (and likely also a good chunk of UN diplomats) considering them closer and better allies than the Venlil who wouldn't manage to overcome their inherent biases for years to come - especially after Veln's election.

Neu5Ac

I don't recall reading that the Satellite Wars were started by the US or their allies. My understanding was that it was China and their allies fucking around and violating the Outer Space Treaty, followed by the NATO forces responding proportionally.

Guardian

Which then implies said Yotul already reported their findings to their superiors, with no regard for the possible consequences of said actions. I find that quite telling.

EliasArt2Life

It’s definitely a Chekhov’s Gun. I’m just hoping that it’s the group in charge of the Consortium that fires it, and not Jones. I also hope that Jones doesn’t get control of that suspected group. It’s not that it would be better much later on, but if it’s done now, we could look forward to dozens of chapters before the problem is solved. I can’t handle that. “When it rains, it pour”, but I’m about at my limit. If thing keep getting worse before they get better for more than 2-3 more chapters, I’m going to start zoning out.

EliasArt2Life

It was already confirmed that the Yotul had the information, and that there was a Yotul on the team that took the ship.

EliasArt2Life

So much for the Yotul being tactful and careful with the information. They shared it (and an incomplete record, by the sound of it) with the Arxur, who shared it with the Bissem, who could end up sharing it with everyone before Meier gets a chance to give his speech (Naltor still knows). I have to say, I feel sorry for the Arxur and Kaisal; they understand that they did wrong, but not how wrong it was, or why it was so wrong. So, they just blame herbivorous fear on everyone hating them. Then humanity doesn’t support them as much as they like, so they consider them more prey than predator and say the herbivores are controlling them. Then the Bissem are revealed to hold them in lower regard than they thought they would, and they call them fools. Now, they’re going to meet humans who hate the Federation, and a collective of species untouched by the Federation, and one of which is carnivorous, and they’re all going to hate the Arxur as well. It’s just going to come crashing down on them that the whole galaxy sees them as monsters, and hates them. Maybe there’ll be some interesting twists, but the only one I can see is the Jaslip Extremists getting help from the Arxur against the Consortium. Also, Tassi’s story never reached the UN? I doubt Dustin kept it quiet, so I suspect Jones had a hand in intercepting it. Yeah. She needs to go. What she did was already bad enough, but hiding it makes it worse. Only a little worse, but I had her on thin ice before. This is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Her threat outweighs her utility in this war.

Rod

Onso and Kaisal, what bitter disappointments you have become.

DreamEnvoy

If we take what happened to that trombil in Gress' Cases as foreshadowing, then Elias may very well become a literal puppet leader.

Guardian

I can dig that word-choice.

Guardian

No one brought this up yet: this is still the 22nd; the Yotul already KNOW about the Ark humans, despite not being present in the immediate aftermath meeting with Meier. So, either the Yotul have a scary-effective information network, or a Yotul representative was present during the boarding live-stream, and is getting that information out to -- "affected parties".

DemonVee

Is no one going to mention the really concerning part? The fact that Meier is now in charge of the UN and that Virnt mentioned that he answers to and handles memory data for a ton of high ranking people, and has the power to alter Meier in someways. High ranking people, which Im certain includes Jones. I imagine Virnt wouldn't do it willingly, but if she feels the fire closing in, who knows what could happen. It's a really, really bad idea to choose the one leader who can be hacked or accessed remotely.

DemonVee

I have a feeling we're being primed for a new leader

DemonVee

"Decline" would fit better

Guardian

I'm not so sure corruption is the right term here, but I concede I may be pushing my OCD/pedantic button. Corruption implies someone is benefitting either politically or financially, or both; I don't see that happening here, though I could have missed something. Ineffective might be a better term.

Guardian

@Neu5Ac: Nonsense, yes, from a logical standpoint, but clearly Kaisal doesn't see it that way. It'll be interesting if Kaisal does indeed attempt contact with either the Consortium or the Jaslip refugees.

PhycoKrusk

Unless that comes with the capability to take all of the memories from each of the distinct Meiers and integrate them into a single "master", it won't work; he wouldn't be duplicating himself, he would be creating new, distinct entities.

PhycoKrusk

And they _still_ fucked it up. If they weren't useless and had actually done what they were supposed to, not only would Tassi have not just walked right through what is seemingly a controlled entry point, Orion would likely not be in the state it's currently in to begin with.

Guardian

Given that we've seen nothing of him in the narrative since his last encounter with Tassi, I too have this concern.

DDDragoni

God, poor Tassi... she needs a hug, a nap, and a big ol plate of fish immediately

Luiz Henrique Alves

Oh yes because US own international body didn't just did shit so bad with the other powers it almost destroyed Earth, also known as the satelite wars, the whole reason UN became actually usefull and have some real power in the story is because of that!

Daru Arura

When does that become so much of a mental burden that Meier duplicates himself to more bodies to be able to tend each of these threads more clearly?

Stueymon

Yes but do they consume a little meat every now and again as a treat like the Krev? And I yeah. The Arxur would look at the Resket and how badass they are and honour bound. They'd respect that despite how much the collective has changed

Space Paladin

The Reskets are herbivores! They’d like the Reskets’ honor society

DreamEnvoy

I somehow doubt anything happened to Dustin, but I won't rule out the possibility. Could be that they didn't get passed along, or Kuemper heard them but decided not to act.

Alekss Žukovskis

"Loxsel isn’t reliable" finally, someone said it!

PhycoKrusk

It seems more like Dustin's grievances never reached anybody, which is honestly more concerning.

Swan

I suppose so; honestly he could become a pretty decent leader if he just learned to keep his cool/stop and think before making bold decisions (plus a bit more pragmatism as well). Maybe he's just fed up with how Isif used to run things, and has thus swung the pendulum in the other direction (perhaps a bit too far)

Elliott

Jones public execution 4K 120fps broadcasting galaxy-wide w/ Commentary [LIVE]

PhycoKrusk

@Schnitzel This isn't about the Remnants; this is about the whole of it. If they immediately jumped in against the Remnant, they would have instantly lost any support they might've had in the Coalition except for the UN and the Technocracy, and they honestly might've lost the Technocracy too depending on how much face they wanted to save. The Arxur had nothing to lose by turning their guns on the Remnant; the Bissems had a lot to lose by doing so.

Bow-Tied Engineer

Someone should put RoboMeier in a supercomputer and overclock him, so he can have a week's vacation to watch TV and process everything in the span of an hour.

Almatty

Daddy's belt please

DreamEnvoy

Kaisal, I agree that the Remnants are a threat to peace. But you cannot expect the Bissems to readily join another war when they're already fighting a war in space AND at home. The Arxur really would be better off allying themselves with the Consortium against the Remnants. “You will destroy these humans and the Consortium, and do it with a smile.” Calling for genocide against those who wronged you. I guess the Duerten never changed. Given how angry and impulsive she was being, being disarmed by overhearing that interaction is probably a good thing. I'd wonder why Dustin's grievances didn't reach Meier, but there were other things that took priority. While it's important for the SC to know about the Farsul splinter group, that's just one more on this full messy plate. Between trying to make peace with the Consortium and having a falling out between the Arxur, Sheild, and Remnants. Tassi REALLY needs a vacation. She dreamt up joining a galactic community in peace, only to end up mixed into a collection of conflicts. I feel like I should apologise for making a long comment, but there is a lot going on this chapter.

PhycoKrusk

@Neu But he wasn't objecting to the government's behavior; just to Jones'. Of course, she doesn't draw any distinction between the UN and herself, so I guess you're correct after all.

PhycoKrusk

So far, I've been fairly unimpressed with Kaisal's leadership. He does alright when everything is going as expected, but as soon as something goes awry, his control rods come flying out. Isif made some mistakes, but overall, he never lost his cool, and when things went wrong, he not only kept it together, but had enough imagination to think of solutions. Maybe the issue is that we're comparing the galaxy's current leaders to the previous ones, when the plain fact is that none of them can ever hope to measure up.

PhycoKrusk

Perhaps, but even then, the size of the threat must be compared against the total collateral damage that results from dealing with it, and the longer this goes on, the stronger the implication becomes that Jones is a _very_ messy cook; at a certain point, you have to fret over the eggs.

PhycoKrusk

I don't know if firing is sufficient at this point; we've only seen what she did regarding the Bissems, so it's entirely likely that the total amount of damage she's done to the galaxy, never mind just the Coalition, has entered criminal territory.

PhycoKrusk

At last Meier begins to fully understand the actual depth of the UN's corruption; hardly a surprise it had to be someone outside the organization that did it. Now, we only need to see where he lands on the anger spectrum between "Low smolder" and "Who wants daddy's belt?" Adding to the above, Onso needs to go home. We can finally see now the cracks in having a Technocracy; their lead diplomat is not a diplomat at all, but an engineer. He was impressive in NOP1 because he was doing engineer stuff and he's good at it. Here, when they were debriefing after the Battle for Talsk, he goes into a minutes long presentation about technical specifications which are both unimportant to a diplomatic body, and not going to be understood by them as well. It's no wonder the Coalition is such a mess.

REDemon14

It is STILL Dec. 22! "When it rains, it pours." This isn't pouring, this is a whole ass hurricane! Poor, poor Tassi. My heart is actually breaking for the girl :( I do feel like Kaisal is getting ahead of himself, assuming that everyone will just follow along with his plans. Pride is a horrible thing. Korajan (and the rest of the Duertens) are delusional if they expect the UN to kill their own people. Also hypocritical for any deurten to storm away after what they did to that Kolshian Colony. I'm so glad Tassi was able to recognize the weight of the situation the moment she heard "Ark ships". Out of all the birds in NoP, she is my favorite! And now we see a human diplomat finally meet Tassi. Meier may have been out of his depth after first contact (and who wouldn't be?), but here we see exactly the type of person Meier is; a man trying his best. Meier's hatred of Jones if forever increasing. Meier being able to give Tassi hope is just wonderful. I hope to see these guys interacting more in the future. Now all we need is the sivkit reaction, the ball in their court. Edit: I forgot to mention that either Dustin didn't get around to filing the complaint about Tassi's mistreatment or his complaint got intercepted. I fear and feel that it was the latter.

Apogee

I suppose Jones put Dustin in a hole somewhere

Schnitzelsemmel

The Feds are going to attack them anyways because they are Carnivores

Neu5Ac

Yet again, the Peacekeepers prove themselves useless! They should be grateful, I suppose, that Tassi didn't have a bomb or weapon hidden on her person: how much of an embarrassment it would be if Elias Meier was killed by a rogue terrorist AGAIN because they were too limp-wristed to stop an unscheduled person from simply pushing past them? I fantasize about the US seeing this, gathering up their closest allies, and saying "screw the UN, we'll make our OWN international body, with blackjack and hookers!"

Aerowarrier

They’re going to be dragged into that war regardless of what they do. As soon as the Remnants learn that Bissem were passing info to the Arxur, they lose every chance at diplomacy they probably didn’t have in the first place. It’s better to strike first than wait for their fledgling space force to be wiped out by superior numbers. They already made their bed. Now they’re refusing to lie in it

Aerowarrier

Let’s be real, I don’t think we’ve seen him since he made that promise. Jones probably abducted him to keep him quiet

Aerowarrier

Hopefully Jones is finally going to get fired from her position as general. She never should’ve had that much power in the first place

Neu5Ac

Raza's story isn't complete yet, we don't know if she's even alive.

Neu5Ac

It would be mighty messed up (but pretty on character for the UN) if he was put in some dingy hole-in-the-wall prison over Christmas for daring to object to his government's behavior.

Stueymon

I imagine the Jaslips will be delighted to learn they have a whole fleet of Arxur in their corner. Plus by extension that includes the Yotul Technocracy. Two huge fleets on their side, nothing to stop them taking back their home. I wonder what Arxur will think of the Resket? I can't remember if they consume meat or not but regardless they'd respect their sheer physicality and fighting prowess

Swan

chad meier

Neu5Ac

The Bissems and the Arxur didn't have any kind of official mutual defense pact. Leaping to their aid the second they're attacked would be politically suicidal. It's nonsense for the Arxur to expect undying loyalty from the Bissems at this stage in their relationship.

Gumcel

Out of chronological order, completely unreadable.

Khazgbthagn

> “Clearly. You can’t even bring yourself to apologize for your shitty behavior!” Fucking *THANK YOU*. Finally someone calls this entitled little turd out on his bullshit. It's almost like diplomacy is a two-way street, and just dismissing peoples' grievances with you does nothing but make them hate you even more. I swear, Raza needs to stage a coup yesterday; there's no way that Kaisal should be trusted with the Collective's foreign policy if he keeps acting the way he has been

TheBlack2007

He got shat on a lot by the community but he’s an exceptionally rare breed. A politician who is an actual idealist and who actually holds himself up to his own standards. The fact he and Tarva crossed paths by having their tenures as leaders intersect at the time of first contact is the sole reason humanity is still alive.

Swan

To add to @TheBlack2007: a war declared spontaneously with 0 input from the Bissems, and presumably no war plan what so ever

Adam Myers

Well that is unfortunate for Jones. I can’t say it is unjustified, particularly with deep state nonsense (it sounds like laws were violated). That being said, some nuance with Jones would be nice to see, a threat only her methods could have dealt with.

Swan

How much on the entire Axur fleet getting body-slammed against the KC’s planet spheres? Sure, the KC drone fleets are dead, but their defense systems are still very much active In general I think Kaisal is being a bit too cocky, and hot headed here; sure the collective likely has a better fleet then the remnant, especially if augmented by the Yotul, but it’s still 1-3 species vs 100. It’s not unrealistic that the Axur might have to abandon the Bissems in such a war Let’s not forget that Kaisal declared this war spontaneously, presumably with little to no war plan AND now seemingly wants to pick a fight with not just the fed remnant, but the KC as well. He doesn’t even ask his allies if they’d be good with this, he just expects them to follow along; who knows, maybe he’ll pick a fight with the shield next? In that light, his demands to the Bissems just seem insane in my opinion. It honestly seems worse then a lot of the other mistreatment they’ve gotten; wanting to use them like colonial soldiers in a war you could easily have prevented (leaving aside if it’s justified or not), which they had no say in starting, and then casting them aside when they reasonably refuse to comply

th3h4ck3r

Everyone is expecting more of the Bissems in order to "prove themselves" to be their allies. They have to realize the situation is bound to be asymmetric between the Bissems and everyone else for a while until the Bissems catch up. Yes, Kaisal is right that militarily, the best way to win would be for the Bissems to join in, but he needs to realize that joining is a much bigger sacrifice for a barely space-faring civilization than for the likes of the Arxur and the SC members. He can't just justify sacrificing Bissem ships just to win a battle just so that the Arxur can begin to consider them allies, he needs to offer more in return. The defense of Earth however worked because Isif didn't suddenly expect humanity to become best buddies, he knew humanity had to play both sides and couldn't suddenly jump ship.

th3h4ck3r

The first thing the UN should do is for Meier to recentralize power. Jones has been doing Stuff™ because they gave her latitude to fuck it all up, while Kruemper was busy with building and maintaining the SC. He needs to keep all the people working with alien governments on a very short leash and under a common agenda, not everyone for themselves.

Pineapplepilot

Of all the politicians to be made immortal, I do think Meier might have been the only good choice tbh

th3h4ck3r

They were part of the catalysts of the war, alongside the Sivkit ship incident. The Consortium planned on purely defending itself should the Federation come to its doors, but the Krev, incited by the humans, decided to go on the offensive.

Byron Ritchie

Yeah exactly!

Anthony Mears

Dustin has been absent from the narrative for a while. do we know that he wasn't silenced somehow?

Anthony Mears

they are pissed about an attack that hasn't happened yet and may not even occur.

DemonVee

Yeah, it was unreasonable to expect them to join in. Go add to that, siding with the Arxur and dragging themselves to war with the Federation would have errased their bid to join the SC entirely, not only from those hating Arxur, but those that didn't want the whole coalition waring with the Feds

DemonVee

As I said before, Jones probably used her influence and pushed the complaint down the list (Unless Dustin is just an extra sneaky shit and is working for Jones too.)

Anthony Mears

did I read it wrong before or were the remnants the only ships that were crewed by living beings? Everyone else seems to have transitioned to drone fleets. no lives lost, just materiel? also, a small diaspora of humans, in the scheme of things, could hardly be the cause of the Consortiums war. motivation yes but the fleet ? that's like saying because there were jewish soldiers in the US military, that they were the planners of D Day

Byron Ritchie

Huh I guess I was wrong about korajan and the duetren They couldn’t be a bigger disappointment (in universe)

TheBlack2007

I absolutely sympathize with Tassi here. I can understand wanting to quit after having been used by just about everyone. But now the SC actually needs people like her more than the likes of Onso, Jones or even her fellow Liaisons.

John Benjamin Cate

Oh dear, so much happening and going wrong this chapter. But for the most concerning to me: how come Dustin apparently didn’t get their grievances recorded?

TheBlack2007

Why? To be dragged into yet another galactic war, because fighting one as well as a world war at home wasn’t enough on their plate already?

Jhon Bustamante

second

Schnitzelsemmel

First Naltor why just WHY… I mean I understand being pissed in that situation but Kaisal has a point the Bissems should’ve stood with the Arxur against the Remnants


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