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The Nature of Predators - The New Arxur (3/10)

🕑 Added 2024-09-04 11:00:10 +0000 UTC

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Assailant

Going against the grain here, but Zefriss is my favorite. Malicious compliance is certainly something a capitalist can respect, eh Hossat? As for the rest of them, especially Raza, it’s kinda interesting that they can’t see what Hossat is doing. Raza being empathetic should hopefully be able to use those good-ol’ functional mirror neurons to understand Hossat. Undermine the leader’s trust in his subordinates, be exceptional in your own right, and throw your superiors under the bus while standing out as both competent and victimized by the incompetence of those in charge. Quick way to find your opposition ousted and yourself promoted.

Dionadair

My guess is a big part of Hossat's reason for leaving was that he knew he was fucked. Human intelligence and law enforcement are equal to none (except the Krev), and it wouldn't take long for the species that hacked half the Orion Arm to find out about operations like his.

Adam Myers

Fair, though my criticisms of Marx are more sophisticated than you might think. I am not sure I am a libertarian anymore either. Probably more a Frankenstein’s monster of different ideas (some even Marxist in origin). The closest label that seems to fit would be a political philosophy based on a fundamentalist view of post-modernism (a reformation against the post-modernist orthodoxy), but I digress. I too will drop it on my end, though I do enjoy the convo.

Jack Tessler

On that we agree

Elliott

I remember thinking exactly like you did just about two years ago, even called myself a classical liberal lmao. Not going to debate politics and economics here and I seriously doubt I could convince or explain anything well enough through a comment thread if you're anything like I was so I'll drop it. I do recommend you read Marx though, as stereotypical as it sounds, there's a reason we base most of our modern political theory and almost all of sociology off of him.

Neu5Ac

We can assume that, but we can't know for sure.

Michael Halpern

yes but with memory transcripts, deniability isn't a thing if captured, so you might as well use a Human who could be loyal enough to make sure there's nothing left to scan.

Adam Myers

@Elliott, though as long as he isn’t reduced to that, that troupe could be interesting, particularly if occasionally subverted.

Adam Myers

@Elliot Not really. Most attempts at proletariat revolution end up in fascism as capitalism isn’t as unstable as is claimed. There is an upper limit to the incentive for consolidation, even Blackrock is no exception. Blackrock has a diverse portfolio, but only as an institutional investor. To say they “own” these things isn’t correct, no more than buying a single share of McDonalds makes you or I an owner. As far as the owners of Blackrock, most of it is owned by other institutional investors. What is actually wild about US capitalism is that despite recent movements, most of the current capital is still Boomer union worker fund management. Everything else is usually owning or is owned by some Boomer union fund. As a result of Silicon Valley and the absurd numbers of the wealthy, this trend is changing. However, this is less the result of the system, and more an artifact of anti-capitalist movements in the culture (sadly both far left and far right). These sentiments encourage the centrists to move toward a more pro-state direction, which in turn has moved a lot of power towards tech companies that are the most disruptive orgs for capitalism.

Adam Myers

@Conure King! True.

Conure King!

It doesn’t have to be SP’s definition, it’s just Hossats. Which, incorrect definitions about his economic systems would be a post-feddie trait.

Aerowarrier

On the other hand tho, long as she pays him she knows she gets quality work with no complaints. He seems quite the professional

EliasArt2Life

“I’ll complete the mission that’s assigned to me, frankly much more tactfully than you would otherwise.” Suggesting that he has already been assigned a mission, lending credence to him being here for a secret purpose. Or just odd word choice, and it means nothing. I’m starting to suspect that this is a test for Raza. If she wants a diplomatic role, she needs to be able to enter diplomacy with the species of the galaxy. Species that hate and are disgusted by her, and would likely berate and undermine her far more than a sociopathic Nevok. If she can’t work with him and get him to follow her orders, what reason does Isif have to suspect that she’s succeed in a diplomatic role, having to deal with hundreds of “Hossats”? That being said, I don’t really like that strategy; test of character don’t really work in real life. People are complicated. Sometimes they fail those tests for the right reasons, or pass them for the wrong reasons. In order to give someone a test of character, you basically have to know their character inside and out, at which point the test becomes redundant.

Gumcel

Isif has remarkable patience, or is just soft (or both). Oh who am I kidding, we already knew he was a softie lol.

Cheesy Power

Part of that is because Isif is teaching the lesson through sink-or-swim by throwing her into a blatantly unfair situation and telling her to win. The first parallel J think of for that kind of teaching is Ender’s Game- it worked great for teaching him to be a brilliant tactician, but it also taught him to be completely distrustful of authority figures and to assume that everyone in power was trying to screw him over, to the point where he eventually just left and deprived them of that brilliant tactician they invested so much in creating. Isif is risking something similar here.

Quiidek

Hysran my favorite so far. I like the jokes. And it's cool we get to see how the Nevok society functions a little bit.

REDemon14

Hmm, I see. I suppose that marks the importance of regulation

Lokyar

The end result of a free market is buying up your competition so you're free to set whatever price you like without being undercut: exactly what is described here.

Elliott

Actually super uncharacteristic of a sociopath, we often struggle to hold down jobs because we can snap easily at perceived wrongdoings to us by authority figures and we hate taking orders. If anyone was a sociopath it would be Zefriss. Hossat here is TEXTBOOK, and when I say that I mean it, textbook psychopath. He has overarching shallow goals and is willing to hurt anyone to get to them, he's extremely anti-social as he sees no value in it at all, not even wanting to have close friends or relationships. The only thing he shares in common with a sociopath is his lack of empathy and fear, in his case he seems to be absent of both completely.

Elliott

He's very low-functioning, almost like a machine. Dude only has goals with no nuance on how to achieve them. I want to say he's narcissistic but I feel like that's not the right word, maybe arrogant or short-sighted? Total psychopath 100% but it almost feels like he's just that and nothing else. He's also got a very pseudo social-darwinist view on the world like an anime villain. Wanna wait and see if he perhaps has a hidden vulnerable side but I doubt it. Even most psychopaths recognize the need for friends and bonded relationships as, at the very least, a social network to rely on and safety net. Maybe he's just playing hardball and finding his footing, I'd hate to see the first real recognized aspd character be reduced to "lonely asshole who kills people".

Elliott

Like 76% of stuff in your house is owned by Blackrock. Capitalism is commerce hording wealth by exploitation of labour. At some point it must turn away from itself and transition to a proletariat dictatorship or collapse under its own weight. Not sure what the situation is when multiple other entire civilizations get thrown into the mix, but I assume it could expand outwards to avoid collapse. But back to the point, monopolies are an expected feature of capitalism every sociologist agrees is inevitable at some point. Hypercapitalism or libertarianism both see these monopolies as being fine to exist, if still problematic.

Swan

I'm guessing spies like Hossat might be a dying breed in the SC. After humans started popularizing investigation techniques, it's likely become much harder to get away with handling competition this way, and the awareness that prey do kill prey means the megacorps would have a harder time denying allegations of placing hits on their competition. Really, it's a credit to his skill that he's lasted this long in the business

REDemon14

Hysran is just great! Didn't know Zefriss could be such a smart ass XD Felra mention! Hossat, ho boy. I feel like he's gonna be a handful. Most definitely a sociopath. I do wonder how Hossat will function in a battlefield setting. I imagine it's quite a bit different compared to operating in a corporate setting. While Capitalism doors incentivize profit through private owner ship of a business, it's usually also accompanied with a free market, which means competition. I'm not sure if what Hossat is describing is that. However, the Feds have a knack of screwing up the simplest of concepts. Probably viewed market competition as "predatory and aggressive". (I'm not an economist) Looking forward to more.

PhycoKrusk

In Raza's defense, her issue with Hossat isn't that he's a sociopath; it's that he's too close to Betterment, and she _hates_ Betterment.

PhycoKrusk

It's probably his personal piece, so it's likely a "Fed gun" insofar as it came from within the Federation. One of the points of Nevok pride is their engineering, so I would wager it's either highly customized, or perhaps he even built it himself.

Michael Halpern

not really, Jones likes people who are interested in more than money, easier to keep loyal.

PhycoKrusk

In her defense, Isif is a terrible teacher.

PhycoKrusk

Monopolies aren't just easier to regulate; because they control all the production (and likely distribution) of a particular good or even market sector, this has a tendency to homogenize the organizational culture, which makes it substantially easier to influence from the outside. (What hypercapitalism wouldn't discourage and actually would likely encourage would be conglomerates)

DDDragoni

Hell yeah Zefriss, you give that bare minimum!

Jack Tessler

Raza not realising that this is the perfect training for dealing with diplomats one might not get along with is killing me.

Adam Myers

I do enjoy this story, but I had a minor worry. I don’t want to imply you have to change what is written already, but I feel the need to note that even hypercapitalism doesn’t actually encourage monopolies. Monopolies are more bugs in the system than the usual way things work within capitalism, as the value in accumulation has diminishing returns. It is why leaders in most orgs generally prefer to “stay in their lane”. While counterexamples exist, they make the rule rather than contradict it. (Even Walmart is hesitant to have full auto service at their stores) The norm for capitalism is best exemplified by the fiction writing community. The idea that all fiction-writing will tend towards a single ghost-writer for the entire world sounds absurd, this is due to the intuition about capitalism, they it mercilessly breeds competition. What actually happens is nearly everyone who thinks they are even somewhat competent at writing, given some spare time, will probably try to enter the market. Usually they fail, but sometimes they become ridiculously successful. There is little danger of monopolistic fiction-writing save some very weird (and unlikely) scenarios with AI. Monopolies form when a very very specific set of circumstances encourage their development, key is an extreme barrier-to-entry. Without that, monopolies can’t form. It isn’t sufficient either, you also need state protection and other elements to make a monopoly sustainable. Anyway, critique aside, I suspect that the guild may have been quietly regulating Nevok and Fissan society. It is highly likely they encouraged the growth of monopolies (which are easier to regulate) and eliminated any obvious “anti-herd” behavior. Most likely, the Nevoks and Fissians have a “rebranded” welfare system. (Something like a debtors prison, but for entrepreneurship, where one would be “encouraged” to develop a business that serves a less desirable market segment)

Adam Myers

@DemonVee It is a disability, specifically an extreme form of Anti-Social Personality Disorder. The ability to “feel remorse, empathy, and fear” requires properly working brain functions. In some, they are absent. There are many examples of similar kinds deficits in other traits. Sociopaths and Psychopaths deserve the same rights as anyone else, it is just uncomfortable to think of them in a position of moral concern, as they represent the antagonists of most of our fiction. Further, many ideologies collapse when people heavy on the ASPD continuum are simultaneously treated as human with full rights and acknowledged as a vector for undesirable outcomes. Most of the more utopian ideas end up needing to be scrapped to make a space for them. For example, the need to regulate the behaviors of those on heavy end of the continuum requires a statelike apparatus. There are a lot of ideologies that find that reality intolerable and hence prefer to imagine a situation where sociopathy and psychopathy magically disappear without delving into the details as to how they plan to accomplish it (rarely is it that sophisticated, usually being “when the [factor of society] I don’t like goes away, there won’t be any”)

Adam Myers

Yeah. Though, I think he ultimately has a point, and given his assumptions it isn’t that unreasonable. I doubt that Isif has made his “defectiveness” very public, so it is possible that Hossat is attempting (and failing) to operate in what he thinks is Arxur social norms.

DreamEnvoy

Well Hossat is unlikable. And dumb to be so narcisistic and self-confident as to alienate his assets. "Those who have no moral boundaries have nothing preventing them from succeeding to their highest potential." Yeah, sounds like psychopathy to me. Which shows he'd be valuable in nevok society if not for him getting caught. Frankly, I don't see how this team can function. But I know it'll somehow work out in the end for the sake of story.

Sci-fi reader

Hossat would find work with the FSB. His methods are more their style.

DemonVee

Never really heard anyone call sociopaths disabled per se, though it's not exactly unfair for Raza to shun Hossat. She spent her life around cold heartless bastards, wishing to meet more sociable people in the stars, and when an alien finally comes to her, he just turns out to be a cold heartless bastard from outer space. Something that must feel like a slap in the face from the universe, though I wonder how their interactions will develop.

DemonVee

I'm partially worried that Hossat is going to turn out as a double agent here, but I suppose his brown nosing/smearing with Isif isn't exactly uncharacteristic of a sociopath just trying to achieve his own goals.

straw salmon

Hysran so far has never failed to make me laugh 🤣. Also i think i saw something brown on Hossats nose 🐽

Alekss Žukovskis

i think raza is being a hypocrite here. she says she wants to befriend aliens, but the disabled sociopath ones... no, now those she shun.

AlphaAllNight Gaming

Hossat’s entire thing is that he just wants to be an asshole in peace….. I’m kinda ballin with this energy.

Neu5Ac

Damn, no idea what kind of gun he has, except to know that it uses combustible, chemical propellants. I was hoping to know at least whether it was a Fed or Arxur gun.

un_pogaz

Hossat is unpleasant, but it's a fair response to Raza and Zefriss's aggression. At least Raza is doing it for moral prejudice about his sociopathy, which means she just needs to learn to treat Hossat like a normal person without that prejudice. Where Zefriss is just a racist prick. I'm not worried about Hossat's field skills. Unless he's particularly full of himself, he wouldn't have presented to Wriss for such a mercenary mission without being a minimum skilled. On the other hand, his integration is going badly, and he's will need a lot of oil to get it through and smoothly with the others. Realy a lot.

Elliott

Hossat is definitely at the opposite spectrum as me, he exhibits no desire in social exploration, narcissistic tendencies, or self-awareness from his introduction. He's like aggressively textbook psychopath, born with it and totally detached from any kind of desire for entertainment or fun, just goal-oriented. Way too serious, or atleast double masking around strangers to appear tougher. Makes me wonder just how protected of an asset he was by corporations in Nevok space if he's so willing to short-sightedly reveal himself entirely even to just underlings like Raza. First impressions are important, and whether you want someone to catch a bullet for you or take a risk and back you up in a coup, it is very important to be loved or feared. Personally I'd see Raza and anyone near Isif as important people I'd want to impress right away or maintain a good relationship with, especially if my objective was to secure power as he alluded to. He's a Low-Functioning Pyschopath (derogatory), not exceptionally bright in critical thinking from what I can tell but hopefully he makes up for it in skill. Also love the idea of him having a little poncho or cloak he runs around with to hide under. Like an adorable guile suit.

Aerowarrier

I feel like General Jones would love Hossat. That’s not a compliment

Aerowarrier

Yeah he sounds like a bipedal mountain goat. He’s gonna be essential for them going to that mountain lol

Rohn Carver

Great


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