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The Nature of Predators 2-69

🕑 Added 2024-09-02 11:00:13 +0000 UTC

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"Simply more resilient" Well Cala had some help. She got a second daddy who worked tiredlessly for her. All when still being a child. Why is there no mention of her daddy's timely help here? They were both affectedly abandoned , around the same time in their development. I guess many reader think Taylor was "too stupid" to get adopted by a qualifying character...

Kevo

my bad I did just skim it, I read it all now, sorry you feel that way. It’s hard for me to understand your last point but I think I get it. I empathize a lot with Taylor bc I’ve been there somewhat too, not blaming myself over peoples deaths, but fucking up in what seems like a big deal to me. I like that he keeps on going on unlike Kuemper. ( a good twist for humankind being humans ) I wouldn’t want the SecGens job right now either as Elias… to deal with that BS though and im sure we both can’t wait to see where it goes. If anything I didn’t like the Taylor’s POV before the Krev reveal lol. The flaws and fuck ups make me see a real world

EliasArt2Life

@Kevo Sorry for the late response; I thought you were responding to someone else with that “he emphasized with the Jaslip immediately”. I think you skimmed my response. I wasn’t saying TAYLOR doesn’t emphasize; I was saying that (some of) the PEOPLE WHO DON’T LIKE HIM don’t emphasize. They don’t emphasize WITH Taylor, specifically.

EliasArt2Life

Agreed, but he’s a figurative child. Not a literal child. A literal child might be better at some areas of diplomacy than him.

Mark Baculna

I very much object to cala adopting taylor as implied. He’ll just eat the crayons or stick them in his nose

John Krause

Taylor is a litteral child and i havent noticed much improvement, if hes gonna be a diplomat earth needs to put him through diplomat training bare minimum

Kevo

He empathized with the Jaslip immediately

EliasArt2Life

I find there are 3 common reasons why people don’t like Taylor: 1) Refusal to empathize. I find people do this with a LOT of characters. Almost every character has at least a few people who refuse to empathize with them, and who hate them in part due to that. 2) Taylor makes a lot of mistakes due to his emotions. He’s a character whose emotions control him. Some people have difficulty understanding/empathizing with that. I understand that side; I’m pretty emotional, and was often reprimanded or looked down upon for emotional outbursts as a child. As a result, I learned to control my emotions. I never suppressed them to an especially unhealthy degree, and have been relearning how to let them loose, rather than hide them, but I am ALWAYS in control. Even if I’m boiling with rage, I’m not going to hurt anyone, or harm anything. I control my emotions, my emotions don’t control me. I get frustrated with Taylor, as a result, because for me, being unable to avoid causing problems due to your emotions (aside from when there are legitimate issues that make maintaining control nearly impossible, like PTSD, so Taylor get a pass where his PTSD is involved) is nearly as bad as you purposefully causing problems. Now, I understand that not everyone is that way, so while I can’t understand it, I don’t hold it too heavily against him. While it’s a slightly grating part of Taylor’s personality, it’s not why I sort of dislike his POV. 3) Some people are literally hurt by his POV. There are some people who are very easily influenced by others: fictional, in reality, or both. Their emotional and/or mental state will mirror whatever they’re exposed to. That means that spending a long time reading about a depressed person can make them depressed, potentially for hours after the fact. Reading a stream of consciousness from a hateful person can make them see everything as something hateful. I’m one of those types of people. If I’m conversing with somebody, I start to see and feel about their point of view almost as strongly as they do. As you can imagine, if you haven’t learned how to hold multiple points of view at once, accept them, and compartmentalize them, it can lead to some pretty wicked psychological distress. While I’ve gotten good at holding only my own position, while feeling passionate about another person’s point of view, I still occasionally need to stop and take time (sometimes days) away from the topic, because it’s not leaving my head, and even when you’re good at it, holding two opposing views at once can be draining. It also colors all my perception of things until it leaves my head. On the other hand, if a fictional or real person is experiencing an emotion, and I become aware of that emotion, I feel it. I can’t help it nor can I shut it off, and it’s not just a small amount of that feeling; I get pumped full of it, to the point where it can oftentimes become the only thing I can feel for a while. Reading about a suicidally depressed character makes me feel depressed. If I continue reading for too long (like an hour - an hour and a half), it can result in a mood shift that leaves me depressed for a day or more. Constant exposure to that can make things even worse. So to summarize, I don’t like Taylor because he’s a suicidally depressed character whose world outlook is full of hatred, who is stuck in a hole of self pity and self loathing, and who is constantly being pushed back every time he tries to move forward. I don’t like him because when I read his POV, his thoughts, emotions, and world view spiral into my head and I start to mirror them. I have to fight to avoid that. The amount that I don’t fight off I makes me feel icky inside and brings my mind closer to places that I left behind years ago, and do not want to revisit. And, just to clarify, I’m fine. The only thing in NOP that got anywhere close to something dangerous for me was Slanek’s breakdown. Even still, it’s uncomfortable for me in short doses. I don’t hate Taylor. I DO hate the way he makes me feel and think. Those things are either not who I am, or who I’m trying to move away from.

EliasArt2Life

“While they were happy and content on Earth, and forgot all about our little expedition.” It really says a lot about Taylor’s mental state that he think his parents could just forget about him like that, rather than questioning how they reacted to finding out that they sent their boy out into the unknown, never to see him again, for nothing. As expected, even after being in the Peace Keepers for 13 years, Cala STILL doesn’t feel that she’s made up for her mistakes. She’s even offering to let Taylor kill her. There were definitely better ways for her to address those feelings of hers. I’m sure she’ll get better by the end of the story, but still… Please let this be one of those subversions of the “self-sacrifice” trope, where the character learns that they don’t have to die to make up for their mistakes! On both Taylor AND Cala’s end.

Kevo

I relate to having no wins, and getting angry when it builds up, then making bad decisions from ignorance

Guardian

It's a good callback, no?

Guardian

Glad I'm not the only one to pick up on that.

PhycoKrusk

@sticks It might be more accurate to say that it's tiring to be following a guy that doesn't have any "wins" when it isn't funny. Like, if every time something bad happened, Taylor's response was to throw his hat on the ground and stomp off muttering, "Darn the luck!" it wouldn't be so exhausting.

PhycoKrusk

Oh, within canon she is definitely not a Captain. This was actually a joke I'd made in the last chapter of Cala's origin story: Someone else had suggested a tiger motif for the unit she inevitable ends up leading, and I replied that Captain Cala and Her Flying Tigers was 100% a comic I'd read. So now every time Cala appears in a chapter, I make a joke about it. They usually aren't very funny, but I laugh all the same.

sticksnstones

I dislike Taylor because he's an angry conga line of mistakes masquerading as a person. He's like an inverse Mary Sue, he regularly makes bad decisions, bad things happen to him, and he constantly flips between blind anger and overwhelming grief. I would never say he's a bad character, but it's tiring to be following a guy that doesn't have any "wins".

Alekss Žukovskis

imagine theyre like: "holy shit-squares, they have multiple sapient predators @ direct neighborhood" we're no bono, no offence.

Alekss Žukovskis

*cala

Michael Halpern

The next best option personally and knowingly facilitated an assassination plot.

Michael Halpern

Again though "least bad" option is a thing, right now Taylor qualifies, they need one of the ark colonists, who is already familiar with major events AND the various leaders of the KC, and has more experience dealing with non-humans, the next best option whom would NORMALLY be better will avoid getting the necessary memory transcripts now, because she facilitated a terror attack.

Space Paladin

He’s a very flawed character with a good heart. He’s had a sad life!

Greg Gougeon

Failing upward seems to be his thing

Kevo

I like Taylor better than any other POV, I don’t get the hate. Dudes been through a lot with no support

AnAbsoluteVillain

Regretable

AnAbsoluteVillain

She is anti-foil; not a mirror. The comparisons were made but their lives are not the same. Its striking how her attempt to highlight that turned him down another path he never wanted on the "Kick Taylor Trench ride of life." We all know he will mess this up. Taylor isn't to be redeemed. 😔 To clarify a foil is a character meant to make the MC shine, and put them on a better path. She does the exact opposite by showing us a version of Taylor if he stayed on Earth. A better Taylor. She stayed in the military, emotions, and heritage did not define her. Which is why she is an anti-foil. She highlights the wrong in Taylor and puts him onto a path of further destruction. All while being nice.

AnAbsoluteVillain

🥰 Drama!

DrewTheHobo

Also she’s not dumb as a bag of rocks

Bbobsillypants

It would be funny if the UN discussed thier findings with the SC concerning the consortium and thier first question was wait "Taylor did what with that Krev?"

DDDragoni

In this chapter: Taylor Trench realizes that he is not the sole bastion of suffering in the galaxy

Rohn Carver

boundless optimism versus hopeless pessimism

Aerowarrier

Damn Cala is really recreating her own imprisonment, even playing Solitaire while waiting there xD

ToothyMcButt

Nice

Kevo

I always wanted to try the Japanese style pancakes, they look like bigger fluffy USA ones, but no one ever criticizes those!

Criss

"Instead, you just put him in danger by chasing revenge, because you’re violent, angry, and short-sighted." Tellus population is short-sighted canon, I was a visionary 🚬

Sci-fi reader

The difference between Cala and Taylor, is Cala's natural hopeful outlook. She is simply more resilient.

Sci-fi reader

I like my pancakes best either Cajan or European style. Of course, others are good too, just not as good.

Criss

Congratulations!! Taylor, you've been promoted. Don't resist.

Sci-fi reader

Has it been decided if she is captain (army or marine) or sargent? Hey, she is only seven years away from qualiflying for a full retirement pension!

Aured

fantastic chapter! I love that Cala is playing solitaire outside Taylor's cell.

PhycoKrusk

@swede Still sounds more "pan" than "cake." I like my pancakes to have some rise to them.

PhycoKrusk

@Lvm All that really means is that you're probably correct and he's being confined in a converted cabin.

Some Lvm

@Michael: If this was before the Mafani incident, I might have agreed with you, but I don't think we can entrust galactic affairs to someone who pics Trench as their "significant other".

Some Lvm

@Phyco: I suppose if you run a white color prison for tax frauds, but even if it wasn't Trench, they are hauling a POW...

Michael Halpern

No but his significant other IS qualified, Taylor might be the least bad choice in this case, everyone else either has other essential roles or hasn't dealt with non humans enough

PhycoKrusk

Honestly, the breadth of subjects and situations that get covered is one of my favorite parts of Captain Cala and Her Flying Tigers.

Youre a swedekisser arent you

@PhycoKrusk They're the superior form of crêpes!

PhycoKrusk

That sounds more like a crepe than a pancake. kiss

Neu5Ac

I maintain my theory that someone wished on a monkey's paw for all politicians to cease existing, and now everyone with political power is wildly unqualified to hold it. Why aren't they trying to get this Captain Sylvia person to be liaison? That's part of a captain's job, and there's no way they'd put her in charge of a ship filled with millions of babies if she wasn't qualified for the job! Prediction time: the Jaslip terrorists' insiders will discover the baby ship has been taken and will leak that information, but not the news about the SC and Earth. This will be so they can incite and justify further violence, as well as mistrust in the government. This benefits the Listeners (if my theory about the terrorist leader being a double agent is correct) because it will allow them to justify expanding their surveillance state even further, while also allowing the terrorists to call any news about the SC lies and propaganda, thus inhibiting de-escalation. If they can keep the war going, they can keep expanding their power, maybe to the point of everyone requiring more invasive brain implants that would allow them to take control of people directly, which would be an endgame move for them.

PhycoKrusk

It's fine for anyone who is non-violent and low enough risk that they can be in minimum security. So, you know, not Taylor Trench.

Michael Halpern

Taylor being subjected to "Theater".

Byron Ritchie

“Assuming this…Krakotl is truly capable of feeling guilt, and isn’t just mimicking my own expression of that from reading my transcript” Oh trench… you really are no different from cala at one point in time but Fortunately for her she learned better Hopefully they are able to eventually become friends though Also nice chapter 😉

Youre a swedekisser arent you

I just want to tell all of you that Cala is correct about her judgement on pancakes. You can put a line of jam or syrup down the middle of European ones and roll them up. So much better than Yank ones.

BiasMushroom721

Man, Taylor is a fucking idiot. At this point I'm not even sure he knows how to wash his own butt let alone think

Bbobsillypants

My reaction to the third paragraph was simply. "Correct"

Some Lvm

If they didn't, making peace with the KC would be too easy...

craig spaulding

So Cala is getting more than just a cameo! That’s exciting and she’s a perfect mirror to Taylor in a lot of ways

Some Lvm

I was about to comment that Taylor's appeasement training seems to be on par with Meir's, so I doubt he can do much worse than the guy with all those statues in his memory...

Some Lvm

I originally didn't like many things about Cala's story, but having it as background makes this chapter a lot more meaningful and enjoyable. If I hadn't read it, she would feel like a random character, just put there to steer Taylor in the right direction, but now her presence and statements feel... organic, natural, reasonable part of the story and the universe! I was going to comment that Taylor must be held in Norway, since his cell looks more like a hotel room, but at the last moment I realized he is still on the ship, and I guess it does not have a proper brig, so they just locked him in some quarters? Because having a TV in a prison cell of any kind does not make sense. Nor having a mirror which can easily be shuttered for use as a weapon.

REDemon14

First three words of the chapter, "The stupid bird". XD Taylor is spiraling... again. Man must have chronic vertigo. The fact that the Ark colonists left Earth only for Aliens to move in is gonna be a source of ire for most of the Tellish. As well as the fact that surviving family members got to live on Earth without the labor they had to go through. Lot of anger in the future. Taylor: "I will never kiss up to aliens again." Cala: "You could help the Tellish by kissing up to the sivkit." Taylor: "FUCK!" Cala really is the only one who can understand where Taylor is coming from when it comes to the guilt of death. All he has to do is get over the racism :) I have no idea how the SC will react. Especially the sivkit.

Monolith

Nice.

Gumcel

Ah yes, a character who is absolutely not qualified to be a diplomat becoming a diplomat. A true nop classic (seriously this is like the 6th time this has happened lol).

Swan

I guess this is how the Taylor/bissem story lines might connect? If Taylor is gonna talk to the skivit he can’t get around the bissems

Intricate Zebra

Whoever in the UN suggested Trench should be put in a critical diplomatic position during war time needs to not only be demoted, but also put on probation for any advisory positions as well. Full stop.

Elliott

What I like about your work over most fanfics or even other works has to be the unwillingness to shy away from having truly guilty main characters. Don't get me wrong I think any other can be just as good, but it's rare that you get so many characters who genuinely DID fuck up and did objectively horrible things. Like it is not often at all that a story has, not one, not two, but arguably three MCs that have literally committed genocide, killed innocent children, but still try to redeem themselves beyond a single moment of Darth Vader-esque sacrifice. Taylor arguably killed an entire civilian fleet, with men, women, and children on board. Full ICUs probably on those ships with students and daycares, vaporized because of him. Same for Isif and Cala. Even more minor villains, like Sovlin after torturing someone was able to try to make amends and try to do better with the rest of his life. Tl;dr I admire not shying away from truly not-innocent characters, it's something I don't see attempted often.

Wholesome Redditter

*Looks at the chapter number* Nice

Sroni

Taylor is the antichrist himself, who not only hurls shit at the fan but actively takes shit in front of the fan, and now they want him as a liason?

Mutedmirth

Taylor and Carla bonding wasn't on my bingo card lol

Thomas Pignatelli

First also "nice"


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