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The Nature of Predators - A Venlil Governor’s History

🕑 Added 2024-08-24 11:00:06 +0000 UTC

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Aured

great chapter!

EliasArt2Life

@Elliot I DO have a phobia; acrophobia, the fear of heights. To be more exact, it’s a fear of falling; I don’t have any trouble going on a plane, since I trust them and it’s basically guaranteed that I won’t fall out of one while it’s in the air, but I have to stay at least 4 feet away from a 8 foot high balcony with a railing that’s 3.5 feet tall. If I don’t, I get dizzy, and start swaying. I honestly think that fear of heights is one of the worst fear you can have; how many other fears make what you fear more likely to happen (Drowning is also in this category)? No matter how scared you are of spiders, they aren’t going to be any more likely to bite you. No matter how scared you are of the dark, it doesn’t magically cause monsters to appear in the dark. Brontophobia (fear of loud noises) is probably about as bad; it usually comes to people with noise sensitivities, so loud noises ARE legitimately painful/distressing, and fear can intensify that distress. But anyway, I have a fear of heights, but A) I logically know they aren’t actually a problem, and if it wasn’t for my psychosomatic reaction of getting dizzy, I’d be in no real danger from them, and… B) Heights aren’t something you can actually personify. I’ve actually tried that before. Couldn’t come up with anything. That’s why I was hoping you had an alternate scenario. Also, “I'm so arachnophobic if even one the size of a speck is near me I'll go flying” I’m assuming that’s hyperbole. If not, why are you spending time examining specks in your vicinity? I mean, I see pretty much every little speck around me, but with how often I’ve had to point the interesting ones out to people, and how often they still can’t see them, I’ve been assuming that I’m the odd one out there. Also, “I'd have to report you for predator disease then”. Yeah, report the guy with autism for having Predator Disease. Accurate. (No offense taken! You were referring to my like of spiders, not my mental condition. I’m just having a laugh at the UNintended implication.)

Ezekiah Kane

Since it is a memory transcription, it is probably made at a later date and her knowledge might have coloured her recollection of the event.

Ezekiah Kane

Most people won't be rational in a situation like that especially if they've been panicking just before it happened.

Alekss Žukovskis

yeah, no. no one knew Laisa was even injured as everyone ran away. she might've framed it as a diplomatic visit to her lesser domain.

Alekss Žukovskis

wow, i've been doing that too. i imagined walking side-by-side with a zombie cyclops. freaky.

Some Lvm

@Phyco: the reason I don't mention this type of scenario is because while absolutely plausible, too many people have the belief "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide". They assume governments, at least in the West, only go after real criminals. But while we are at it, a Mexican cartel once set up their own, completely independent, encrypted radio network the police were unable to track or crack. So I thin the authorities would not be the only one's using your method to "obtain" people of interest. Also, robo taxis would probably make great mules for drugs, guns, and human trafficking, as there is no driver to be compromised, and no one would blink an eye at an apparently empty car driving it self somewhere. Oh, the possibilities are endless!

Guardian

If you write it, we will read. :-D

Guardian

I'm no medical professional, to reuse my words, but even I understand that, foreign as the object currently in your body may be, it's preventing you from bleeding out in seconds. My knowledge is pretty much from watching episodes of ER and Third Watch back in the day, but I feel like any medical show would have at least one "patient impaled on foreign object" episode every few seasons, heh.

Space Paladin

That’s exactly why Cindy was shouting at her not to! Worst thing you can do…and many people’s inclination is to get whatever’s impaled them out

Space Paladin

I don’t have plans for bonus material, per se, since my plans are the Arxur Collective series dropping Wednesday and tentatively Wild West 2 🤔 I’m not opposed to eventually getting around to anything you guys like!

Guardian

Pretty sure that's why Cindy screamed as Laisa did it. As a medical professional, she knew doing that was Not A Good Idea.

Shajenko

This was pretty great, and I wouldn't be opposed to more. Are there any plans for bonus material involving the Bissem?

PhycoKrusk

@Lvm Don't forget about riding in said fully autonomous car, while also being somebody whom the national government finds to be "inconvenient." Oh, I'm not talking about an automotive accident; that would be a bit too obvious. No, I'm simply stating that you charter an auto-taxi to get to work, and without warning, the doors lock themselves, electronic systems activate to transform the car into a faraday cage, and you are promptly delivered to the local police station, whereupon you are immediately transferred to the custody of federal agents. Nobody knows where you are; as far as they know, you went to work and just never showed up. The last record anyone has of you is chartering the taxi; after that, there's nothing. The GPS records show that you stopped the ride early, and then it received a new charter.

Adam Myers

I find it interesting that she disimpaled herself, a normally terrible idea. In this specific context, it didn’t seem like a better option. However, in just about any other context you leave it in to keep from making the bleeding worse.

Elliott

I'd have to report you for predator disease then. I'm so arachnophobic if even one the size of a speck is near me I'll go flying. It's actually not even a fear, it's a physical repulsion on every level. I guess if you weren't born with any phobias like that then you can't get it. As for the vampire thing I guess that applies more to the Arxur than humans. Dawnguard Skyrim DLC had me hating them after seeing people in cages, getting eaten on tables, and then being spoken to as inferior. I suppose the uneasiness with humans still could be "what if me and this being got stuck with no food out in space?" like we as humans have had cannibalism occur before, but imagine a Fed's shock hearing about the concept for the first time. The sheer capacity for someone to be able to do that can be enough for some people.

BiasMushroom721

I cant believe I nearly missed a chapter! Also #VenlilDoingVenlilThings

DreamEnvoy

Either she means crippled compared to the legs of other biped species, or SP messed up on the timeline of his own story.

EliasArt2Life

That doesn’t work for me; I’m more of an arachnophile, and if a species of vampires suddenly appeared, claiming to subsist off of artificial blood, and having no desire to feed on, or harm humans, I’d be more curious than scared. I’d probably want to talk to one to learn more. Any suggestions for alternate hypotheticals? P.S. I got a high-five a jumping spider yesterday. The little guy saw my finger, and hesitantly tapped it with his(? They were pretty small, so probably male) leg. It was simultaneously the cutest and the coolest thing that happens in days. Please don’t kill all of our eight legged friends. I’d miss them. A lot.

EliasArt2Life

I like this one! It really gives some depth to a character that we didn’t know a lot about previously. Laisa definitely needed that wake up call, though the injury… OOFF! That hurt to read. I can see why she so thoroughly supports humanity.

Neu5Ac

She might have spent months in the camp as a way to reconcile with the humans. Perhaps she was moved to a proper hospital, but insisted on visiting the camp frequently in order to raise awareness for the sake of humanity. Good call on the crippled legs, though; I couldn't remember myself if the dates were before the Farsul raid, and I didn't feel like checking.

Some Lvm

@Phyco: it is so refreshing to meet someone who can see reason about the very real and coming issue with autonomous cars! I often hear proponents of the technology say things like "Computers don't drink, don't play with their phones, don't get angry or tired". That is technically true, and I was even in that camp my self, before I realized computers have their own set of problems: Bugs in software, design flaws, hacks, delicate hardware components breaking. A car is a very bad place for electronics, especially in countries like mine where most of the year the temperature is between 30 - 45 Celsius, so a parked car can easily go to 80 and higher. So yeah, even if we get an AI that can drive with the same level of confidence as an unimpeded mid level human, and we replace all cars on the road with that, we may not get as much safety improvement as we think. I know current real world statistic show that per miles driven, autonomous cars had 10 times the fatalities than normal human operated cars. Yep - they aren't even production yet, and still several people were killed due to AI driving.

Gumcel

Don’t they make organs for patients in need? They can do that but not make blood? Or did I just make that up? Seems strange that she refers to her legs as “crippled” no? Either she peered into the future or her legs are just fucked up for some unrelated reason. And she spent months living in the camp! It would probably better to take her to an actual clean hospital with personnel who know what a venlil needs, but I guess they never thought to do that? I like the meta history format, it’s similar to how it was done in BaP and it’s neat to read.

Space Paladin

A+ for the homework assignment! 😅

Space Paladin

Thank you!

Space Paladin

Thank you! Thought it’d be something new, and a bit of a fun way to make my author’s note with a splash of cheekiness 😅

Space Paladin

Wouldn’t be opposed to making more Laisa content! A bit of Venlil one-shots every now and then…nice nostalgia 😅

DreamEnvoy

When I read Glim or Fyron reacting to a kiss: STOP CONFUSING US FOR VAMPIRES

PhycoKrusk

@Lvm I mean, I suppose that wouldn't surprise me. There have been numerous studies that show that autonomous vehicles are only safer if every vehicle around them is also autonomous; as soon as a single human driver is introduced, safety returns almost totally to non-autonomous levels. That doesn't mean it isn't a terrible idea all around, and I do mean all around. With a human driver, you might have more accidents, but it only takes one CrowdStrike for _everybody_ to have an accident; a bad driver might ruin your day, but a bad update will ruin everybody's day. Never mind if emergency vehicles suddenly won't run, or if they stop at lights waiting for traffic that isn't there. Or hell, look at the cyber attack on the Federation; look at the massive destruction caused because they too had put all their faith in technology and structured their entire civilization to fail-deadly. (I'll be honest, I feel reasonably confident that 2160 has more preppers than 2137 for the simple reason that everyone saw the aftermath of the cyber attack, and many of them realized that a cyber attack like that had basically the same result as the bombing of Earth as far as cutting off access to essential services, which itself happened not that long after the Satellite Wars cut off access to essential services. Those old enough to see such loss of services happen twice will especially be wary of putting all their faith in technology because, let's face it, if it happened twice, it can happen a third time)

DreamEnvoy

Ah, I'm late! Loving the author's note presented as essay prompts aside (no way I'm doing homework long after graduating), it's certainly nostalgiac seeing NoP1-era Venlil Prime again. I can't help but wonder how many xenos believed Laisa was being taken hostage, despite her sending word that she was unharmed? Busting in to save the minister only to find her chilling with the preds would probably be unlikely, but funny nonetheless.

Elliott

It always confuses me how someone can think like this, but there's an easy trick I use to get in the headspace of Federation species', either think of spiders or vampires. Like in that context, I'd see myself 100% being on board to wipe either all out. Ecosystems be damned

Some Lvm

@Phyco: you make good points, but there may even be a darker side to this: Maybe in 2136 its actually illegal to drive manually, unless you have a special permit like for emergency services or military. There is a push today for various automated driver restriction systems, like speed limiting based on road sign recognition, or breathalyzer test for starting the car. I won't go in to the long rant why I think these are horrible technologies that won't accomplish what they are intended to, but the NoP future is just dystopian enough for someone on earth at some point to say: Fuck it! Humans can't drive for shit, so lets take that away from them. AI is good enough.

T___

In the best Finnish traditions, it was probably an assignment done during school hours, at school. By the way, we did have homework, just not that much, on later school years.

Quiidek

Oh I love this. Please make more.

Guardian

As MatPat likes to say: *deep breath* LLLOOORRREEE!!!

Neu5Ac

I really like the way this was formatted. It makes me wonder more about how exactly the memory transcripts work: does a computer turn the raw mental data into the written format, or are there versions that allow for audio and video made from what the transcriptee heard and saw? If the latter is possible, by what mechanism are emotions and internal thoughts conveyed? Do you watch them on traditional multimedia, or is there a device that works like the transcription device in reverse, putting the transcript in your mind as if you'd experienced it yourself (like BDs in Cyberpunk)? Are there legal limitations and regulations on which of these formats are accessible to the general public? It's really quite fun to think about.

Michael Halpern

im sure a fair number of human refugees had some VR driving lessons during and after the trip to Skalga,

Pineapplepilot

School assignment format is REALLY COOL, I like the essay questions at the end! I hope a follow up chapter gets made that's just a students rough draft of the essay for this assignment lol.

RaptorRed

At first I was like what am I reading and who's perspective is this, do we know laisa, maybe the name is vaguely familiar? But after long it didn't matter I loved it and I would love to read some more of this, thank you.

mitsos_pr

Awesome chapter!!

PhycoKrusk

@Lvm This is a big part of why I constantly insist "This future sucks." It's not that people have put an outsized amount of faith in technology; it's that they've put _all_ their faith in technology. We haven't put all our faith in technology today, and there are still a staggering number of people whose response to "What do you do if this system fails?" is, "What do you mean? That would never happen!" In the absence of adversity (whether from a lack of adversity or simply an avoidance of it), Humans always revert into childish, first-order thinkers who can't abstract beyond what is directly in front of them; none of the Humans soldiers in Kaisal's story one how to drive because, "Why do I need to know that? The cars all drive themselves!" I disagree that off-roading would be fully autonomous, though. The thrill of off-roading isn't driving over rocks and up mountains; it's conquering the landscape. Using an autonomous vehicle for that would almost certainly be considered cheating, and anyone who does it would be viewed the same way that dude ranchers are viewed today: Soft-handed city folk that aren't interested in or really respectful of it; they just want to LARP and pretend for a little bit so they can go brag to the other soft-handed city folk about how tough they are.

Michael Olson

Good stuff! Fears have a way of shutting down our rational mind. I don't fault Laisa for having trouble thinking clearly in the midst of terror.

REDemon14

Oh, how I *love* characters having guilt and shame for their actions :) Student PoV time! 1.) I believe Laisa's near-death, injuries, and following recovery revealed some of the biggest misconceptions about humans and human instinct as well as our compassion for each other First, the events depicted show that humans don't have the "bloodthirsty" instinct many thought they did. They won't "lose control" the moment they see blood or take advantage of wounded prey species. These events also show that our empathy at the time of humanity's appearance was disturbingly suppressed by fear at the time. As shown when the driver who hit Laisa abandoned her to die. As well as every other prey leaving her to her supposed death. (I wonder if the driver ever got arrested and charged.) Second, humans do in fact have medicine. Not crude bandaging out medieval guess work, but actual *medicine* comparable to other species. *Surpassing* others when it came to mental health as we'd learn later. It also shows that humanity was/is more than able to help other species, even when it could be detrimental, in the hypothetical exterminators showed up. Overall, Laisa's experience and recovery in human care very likely solidified the strong ties humans and venlil have to this day. 2.) Many humans refugees may have injuries or conditions that went either untreated or weren't properly treated that would later cause complications that could have led to death or worsening conditions for the human refugees. Medically speaking, this could have caused a surge of infections or diseases within refugee centers. Socially speaking, I could see the venlil's initial unwillingness to help humans cause a strain for communities that had refugees as well as increased distrust and xenophobia from the humans who had just suffered an attack on their homeworld *by aliens* that would last for years, well into even Laisa's governorship, as Governor Veln's policies likely worsened species relations between venlil and humans on skalga. If the outward supporting Laisa failed to meet human medical needs initially, how bad was the situation in places that had little to no fondness for humans? Neat little prompt. I liked it :)

DemonVee

Oh, I suppose I missed it.

Space Paladin

Thanks! A bit of a meta take on my usual author’s note 😅

Space Paladin

Arxur series drops Wednesday!

Bbobsillypants

I understand the nature of predators is a historical text in cannon, but its neet to see it used as an educational text as well.

Some Lvm

@DemonVee: remember Kizal's story? A whole squad of soldiers, and not one of them knew how to drive! Most times we see people in NoP using cars, they are in the back seat, so taking over in an emergency is not going to happen. Also, they have AI good enough to drive a military APC over an alien moon in battle conditions under fire, I think "off roading" on earth is now fully autonomous as well. I am sure there are still some humans who know how to drive, but there are probably very few of them. Way less than there are people today who know how to drive stick. Fun fact: my friend has a Jeep Wrangler, and he actually took a course on off road driving, including how to clime boulders with that things. He showed me a video with the car having one of its wheels a foot off the ground and the instructor watching as he climbed over a huge rock.

Alekss Žukovskis

Awesome read. I'm glad to see a character that doesn't change their minds.

Alekss Žukovskis

SP! I have a gripe with you! homework was invented as a form of punishment. and the best schools in Finland of all places don't have any. You are writing about a most terrible future, where unreason permeates the galactic arm of ours. :(

Mutedmirth

This really was a oneshot lol. I love the homework section making it tie into the main timeline rather than a random look. Very interesting with how Laisa became so pro human

Michael Halpern

Laisa's experience contributed to the significant political cohesion in Human-Venlil relations, and the early struggles reduced human empathy towards federation founders

John

Yes, did you read the end-note on the last bonus chapter?

Wholesome Redditter

I ain’t doing fictional history essays. That’s the entire reason why I got a STEM major.

DemonVee

I like this one shot, it's a nice change of pace. I've been hearing rumours on the discord about an Arxur mini series, is that something that's coming next...? 🙄

DemonVee

I find it unlikely that even with self driving cars, they wouldn't be required to learn how to drive for emergencies. Either if the software fails somehow, or if encountering driving conditions that require off roading, finer control.

un_pogaz

That was good and interesting, I'm curious to learn more about Laisal in the main series. Damn, the Laisa's experience was far more intense than that of many other Venlil, even among the exchange program volunteers.

James Schoneman

•Governor Lisa's accident caused the Venlil Republic (VR) and the United Nations (UN) to become more supportive of each other's agendas. This likely led the UN to push back less against discriminatory actions against the kolshians and farsul. Actions like the relocation of kolshians to colonies closer to the Haf system. This in turn caused the UN to not push as hard for other Sapient Coalition (SC) member states to send as much support to the battle of Aafa leading to massive loss of life. •Most of the first human refuge settlers on Skalga not only did not receive care from skalgan hospitals, but also many of them probably did not even attempt to seek care. Furthermore those who did seek care may have ended up in so-called Predator Disease (PD) facilities if they requested medication for mental health conditions such as ADHD or anxiety. Which in turn probably led to more humans not seeking healthcare. There I did my homework

Ron1990

35 years after my last history lesson in school and it feels like yesterday. Really well done. But I'm so sorry, my dog ate my homework.

Some Lvm

Wow, Liasa got real lucky there! The chance of Cindy knowing how to drive was minuscule!

Anthony Mears

good one. I can almost smell the paper of the well used textbook (although it's probable a file on a pad).

Byron Ritchie

Huh I was hoping we would get something on the fiasco that was Veln’s tenure but this is still pretty good and wholesome (barring that rather brutal hit and run but yeah) Also I hope someone makes an actual essay based on the bottom part

Z !

haha I love the schoolwork-like format

snidramon

Oh no, Space Paladin didn't warn us he was going to do horror! Anything but *homework* !

Jackson Urwin

Honestly so excited for this wanted something like this forever

Jackson Urwin

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