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The Nature of Predators 2-28

🕑 Added 2024-04-11 11:00:11 +0000 UTC

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Some Lvm

So, this chapter pretty much confirms what I suspected about Gress: He is a good person, and was a good cop, that go entangled in a supper shitty messed up situation that destroyed his life. I don't think Quana is going to believe him. I suspect she is a second generation fully brainwashed terrorist, fed from infancy a specific version of history. As for Taylor, I didn't think any human character in NoP would give Bahri the a run for her money in the "worst human ever" competition, but this one isn't even close!

extraintelligence

I looked it up to be sure, and I was mistaken, it's actually low infrared light. And yes, it's a laser, but it's method of action is different from a more direct laser weapon. Visible light lasers act on a target directly, ablating whatever material they hit and dumping its energy into it. The plasma it generates can't stop the lower wavelength beam. For the PEPs, it fires pulses from an infrared laser: the first pulse generates the plasma, then the second pulse is absorbed by the plasma. This excites the electrons in the plasma, causing it to expand rapidly, resulting in the aforementioned flashbang/emp effect. Using it to actually pierce armor would be a pain, as it would take a ton of energy for that to work, so any kind of tank busting weapons they have probably use visible light or shorter.

Star

He's just a silly little primate 🐒 🐒

DemonVee

So PEPs are essentially similar to a laser beam but they fire microwaves instead of visible light?

DemonVee

It's probably gonna be one of those "Hate to friends" type of deals

Alicja

“Hopefully thats the last we’d seen of Mafai” yeah right

extraintelligence

Good to hear about the obur breeds, looking forward to that. And if you won't go into the technical details, would you mind if I do, if I try to write or draw anything about them? I'll make assumptions about what they have, for instance assuming the SC have upgraded to ballistic railguns for their infantry (not more powerful than chemical ballistics, just easier handling and better performing).

Space Paladin

It would be cool lol

Space Paladin

There are obor breeds, Gress talks about a few of them in his upcoming series! I generally don’t go too hard into technical specifics, and yeah, there’s not a lot going on in between Taylor’s ears!

Michael Halpern

sure but even in staged sports there's actually people doing it, its just either with modified props/equipment or with cooperative "opponents" or both

Space Paladin

I’d be completely open to writing stuff like this down the line, a Krev exchange fic would be a great avenue for this…and I already had an idea rolling around

Space Paladin

Taylor is certainly…Taylor 💀

extraintelligence

In all fairness, staged baseball games where they just did silly or flashy stunts really were a thing, especially in the 1990s.

Michael Halpern

possibly more like WWE.

Mr. Walker

Wait . . . They thought baseball was just SFX?

Mr. Walker

He seems to be a "big feeler." All of his emotions are really intense.

OrangeSpaceProgram

As much as I love Taylor I cannot help to be angry at him every time he does this pendulum of opinion. This is like the third go around and he still immediately goes straight to the most extreme emotional reaction. There is no build up or checking of the information, just boom, angry human. I’m happy that he’s made up with Gress, but I can’t help but feel like this whole situation could have been easily avoided.

extraintelligence

Pulsed Energy Projectile. It fires rapidly pulsed beams of EM radiation (I want to say millimeter wave, but don't quote me on that). These pulses superheat a few layers of atoms off the first solid thing they hit, causing it to spontaneously evaporate into plasma. The plasma wave rapidly expands, creating a pulse of light and sound not unlike a flash bang, as well as an electromagnetic pulse that can affect electronics and nervous systems. At low intensities, it creates a stinging sensation on the skin and at best singes clothing, while at higher intensities, it can cut holes through armor with continuous fire, cause temporary or permanent paralysis, and, of course, kill.

DemonVee

She has no reason to believe it other than the words of the person she blames and two people she met today. For her the story is that there were 10 hostages and that the Krev picked the politicians over the kids without even skipping a beat.

DemonVee

What are PEPs?

Michael Halpern

its exactly what I sounds like, a sniper rifle that fires explosive shells

Michael Halpern

the bigger issue was cost and reliability with the 20mm grenades

NWOIT_93

I'd love to see more slice-of-life interaction between humanity and the consortium. What do different species think when they watch different genres of movies? What would a Resket have to say about their first time trying a well-made Terran meal? What happens when Humans join in on consortium games? Are there any novel ideas that spread like wildfire (like Jazz with its unique harmonies and improvisation, or games with a social element like Poker)? It would be fun just to see what the experience is like for the average citizen of either group

extraintelligence

I have a few things to say about this one. First, a suggestion: "incendiary" refers to a weapon's use of or ability to generate fire (for instance, flamethrowers, phosphorus tipped bullets, and thermite are all incendiary). As far as I know, incendiary fragmentation grenades have never been used. The adjective for describing something that explodes is "detonating." I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't get to learn what kind of energy weapons these guys have. Lasers? PEPs? Plasma railguns, like miniaturized versions of the ship weapons? It would have been nice to know. If you're just not sure about which one you want to go with, I'd be happy to provide descriptions of each type of DEW I know of, how it works, and what it would look and sound like. As far as Gress and Trench making up, I think that's a bad decision on Gress' part. Trench is just a bad friend; his empathy is purely affective/emotional, with no meaningful cognizance or compassion. For instance, in the encounter between Gress and Quana, he became angry because they both became angry (affective empathy), but he didn't really consider why they were angry (cognition) or try to help them sort their anger (compassion). This is without even mentioning his impulsiveness, selfishness, unchecked aggression, etc. I have to assume Trench was entirely abandoned as an orphan on the Ark given how profoundly emotionally stunted he is, which is really weird given that (I thought) the selection parameters were very strict, and I figured they would avoid having children with no guardians of any kind. Finally, slightly off-topic, but are there other breeds of obur? I'd love to see a guard/attack obur that resembles a 50 kg baboon, a work/service obur with some quality that makes it better suited to a specific task, or a companion breed that's bred purely for temperament and cosmetics (I'm assuming Juvre is either a service or companion obur.)

John Krause

Well the us had grenade aks that could pierce walls and select a specific detonation distance say as soon as it gets to the far aude if the wall etc except they recalled them later because they realized it was a war crime(they counted as exploding bullets rather than grenades)

extraintelligence

No. Literally everything that he's done has either been a total screw-up or will obviously lead to an inevitable screw-up. I think what we don't realize yet is that Taylor's view is supposed to be a "villain perspective" segment. I would commend SP15 on this if it's so, if not for the fact that it requires every other human from the Ark to also be an idiot, since I can see no way how they wouldn't know that he (and in extension, Hathaway) are the source of most of their problems. I stand by my statement that if the Ark humans had a whole spine among them, they should have dragged Hathaway into the street and shot him.

GeneralLDS

“maybe we could explode them with our minds”

Raymond Crespo

My sincerest apologies compatriot for I do not know of the nature of that which you speak about pray tell of this so called “grenade sniper”

EliasArt2Life

@PhycoKrusk Narcissists lack empathy which Taylor has. Sociopaths have trouble empathizing with others (based on the degree of sociopathy). Taylor shows incredible empathy for Gress, considering that Gress’ crying cooled off Taylor’s rage. Sorry for the unnecessary correction, but misdiagnosing/labeling people with mental conditions (especially narcissism, psychopathy, or sociopathy) is a major pet peeve of mine; I find that it’s often used as an easy excuse to avoid understanding or empathizing with people. Besides that, it dads to the stigma that a lot of those conditions face.

EliasArt2Life

The fact that this is allowed… Red Flag. Again. Sigh… I’m just going to chalk it up to narrative convenience. Well, I’m going to HOPE it’s narrative convenience.

EliasArt2Life

There’s that one chapter where he took off his mask to Gress. Granted, he was antagonistic before that, but I’ll give him a little leeway with that.

EliasArt2Life

He’s a grown man who lost his home planet and parents when he was a young kid. I’d guess he never learned proper emotional regulation and social skills. He learned enough to fake it, but the more you get to know him, the more it becomes clear that he’s intensely underdeveloped in a lot of area. I pity him, and hope he gets help/grows, but his actions are rubbing me the wrong way.

EliasArt2Life

I hate to say it, but I’m honestly disliking Taylor more and more with every chapter. He’s got one character trait that I can’t stand, and it’s gone on long enough to run out my “benefit of the doubt timer”. That character trait is, Taylor just latches onto whatever opinion he hears and feels sounds the most agreeable to him. He has no REAL conviction to any of his opinions; he’ll stand by them to the death, until another one comes along and explains how his previous one was wrong. This isn’t just rapidly adapting, like we’ve seen before; this is flip-flopping every chance he gets. Characters like Taylor typically either grow or get tossed away in stories, because they’re useless to all sides (good or bad), when their loyalty can be flipped by a persuasive talk. In the real world, you never rely on people like that, either. Luckily, there is some hope for Taylor; if he learns how to reconcile opposing viewpoints and form stable opinions, even if just a little. Even more luckily, there’s a good opportunity for that coming up, because there’s one more flaw Taylor has; he not only grapples onto whatever persuasive argument someone says, he also believes that everyone else works that way, which is why he’s going to explain what Gress said to Quana. I do not think the Jaslip will be receptive to that story, and Taylor will have to find a way to mediate between them, hopefully learning how to do that with his own opinions in the process. (Or he’ll just turn on Quana for not dropping her long standing beliefs about Gress on Gress’ say so.)

Roscuro

He's very mentally ill. Ptsd confirmed if not more.

PhycoKrusk

I mean, he was always impulsive, but having a thousand tons of rocks fall on him probably didn't help.

Michael Halpern

Hmm their standards for grenade launchers would probably be mostly lower velocity, like what we'd use for UGLs rather than the high velocity rounds used for MGLs and AGLs, or the super high velocity rounds in things like China's grenade sniper..

pogman

brain damage headcanon

Yannis Morris

Taylor I don't know how to tell you this but sometimes people aren't lying, they're just wrong

Space Paladin

Taylor’s brain is just ping pong 🧠

TheBlack2007

Calling it right now: Taylor will become the Slanek of this story.

Michael Halpern

don't forget boomerangs,/throwing sticks

T___

Isn't that about the environment? Species living in trees or ground in the jungle wouldn't get much out of an atlatl because of distance being a problem ... Due to all the trees. Other than the atlatl there were slings, blowpipes, bow and arrows which development was inevitable, evidence of it dating back to 64,000 Years Ago in South Africa! China had The Chinese repeating crossbow known as Chu-Ko-Nu that dates back to the 4th century B.C. It could fire up to ten steel bolts in only 15 seconds. the Huo Long Cui Shui was the earliest form of multistage rockets and ballistic cruise missiles during the Ming dynasty in China! It would automatically ignite fuses of arrow rockets hidden inside the rear of the main rocket, which would shoot out of its mouth propelled by gunpowder. At aound 1320 B.C. the Hittites released infected rams and donkeys along a trade route used by their enemies, who brought the strays back to their villages. Only, along with the animals came tularemia that is considered a serious biohazard even today. So even with humans it wasn't just atlatl everywhere.

Gumcel

“There was no way that Gress and Quana could have such disparate stories about the same event; the Jaslip had no reason to lie, while this guy had every reason to.” Oh my god Taylor shut the fuck up lmao. Has there been a single chapter where Taylor hasn’t said or done something stupid?

Kevin Quintana

Sounds like it wasn't even that, they told him they had 5 hostages and showed the camera they had 10. He gets the 5 he knows about released and they killed the other 5 to paint his side as monsters who care more for aristocrats than kids. He didn't call a bluff, he just fell into a trap.

Jay Scott Raymond

Did Taylor get brain damage in the mine incident or was he always this impulsive?

arthur D. gonzalez-martin

Can't wait to see the un break the cages with there own moons

arthur D. gonzalez-martin

Well shooting at standard range, they haven't see the humans at long range yet

Quiidek

I can only hope Gress and Quana make peace with one another. 🙏

Mr Mopp

So basically, he thought they were bluffing and tried to call it.

extraintelligence

The baseball grenade you're referring to was called the T-13 "Beano," and it was only an experimental weapon. it was a contact grenade designed by the OSS with the idea that it would be safer than a regular contact grenade, since it could be pitched instead of lobbed. Experimentation determined that it didn't significantly affect safety of operation and was still too prone to early detonation. The Mk. 2 "Pineapple" grenade remained the US' mainstay throughout WWII and the beginning of Korea, followed by the M26/M61 "Lemon" for late Korea and Vietnam, and finally the M33/M67 "Baseball" in small quantities for Vietnam, and is now the standard US grenade. Despite it's name, it's slightly smaller than a baseball, and nearly three times the weight.

Wholesome Redditter

Taylor keep switching sides every time he gets new information, huh relatable

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

I mean, as you can see they all eventually developed ranged weapons of their own. And as you can notice not only did Quana catch that helmet toss (which is a very conspicuous thing to write) but also remember that they started developing a doctrine with grenades after the jaslip started using them. While humans might be plenty accurate with throws doesn't mean the other species didn't develop ranged weapons or even thrown weapons of their own.

Michael Halpern

also put warp engines on rocks and aimed them at the exterminator fleet.

Michael Halpern

no a missile is a stick, our other natural weapon, the first "fire arm" was the fire lance, which was a stick with a (originally bamboo but later iron) tube on it with one open end and a fuse hole poking through it, you'd stick the fuse in, pack in black powder, some form of wad, your shot (gravel most likely) some more wad, light it with a burning cord or something similar, and point it at the enemy and wait.

Wesley Rigg

An atlatl is a range/power enhancer, it is useless to any being who lacks an in built ballistic calculator to aim it.

Michael Halpern

they probably are, but short distances without much power, smaller primates and other arboreal mammals that do throw things mostly do so to deter predators, by being a bother, and for those that aren't primates, its usually more "power dropping" than throwing, however when our ancestors began hunting rather than just scavenging or going after insects, this ability evolved along with our thermo regulation to be far more potent. being arboreal requires the more powerful front/upper limbs needed for throwing projectiles which is why most primates can throw stuff- but as near obligate omnivores without effective fangs or claws and a pretty modest top speed (though insane endurance) that ability compensated for what we lacked in built in weaponry.

PhycoKrusk

We threw a Moon at the Farsul. When you get down to it, that's just a really, really, really big rock. Heck, even a guided missile is technically just a bunch of dumb rocks and some smart rocks held together by sticky rocks on top of an angry rock. It's rocks all the way down!

PhycoKrusk

The Sivkits are _gone._ As soon as the Archive data was dropped to everyone, they bounced. Nobody has seen or even heard from them for over 20 years since they left their "homeworld" and colonies behind. Honestly, that might actually be worse. The Consortium shows up where the Sivkits were and it's empty. Settlements, towns, and even cities just abandoned. "Think the Arxur got them?" "With everything still standing like this and nobody new moved in? If we're _lucky,_ the Arxur got them."

PhycoKrusk

@Elliott He's a sanctimonious narcissist. He sided with Quana immediately because, in his mind, it's always virtuous to side with the "oppressed," regardless of who, what, or why, for the sole reason that virtues are virtuous, because they are virtues, and that's what makes them virtuous. He's standing by Gress again because, "Hey, that's just like what happened to me!" Even though it really isn't. You know, I take it back: Taylor Trench isn't a narcissist. He's a sociopath.

PhycoKrusk

More likely she won't believe the story, because there's no way her people would do that. Because, at the end of the day, she had family members in the resistance, and when she thinks of others who upset the Consortium government, regardless of how extreme their rhetoric might be, that's the template she's going to drop on them because that's the way that most empathetic sapients think of their own people. Even misanthropes aren't immune to this; we're just more likely to assume that what we're being told is a lie in the first place, regardless of who's telling us. kiss

Dragon Writer Luc

Kinda surprising the obors aren't known for throwing things.

Cartoon dinosaur

... archer fish hunt by using water as a projectile... Have none of these species ever invented a atlatl? Space paladin I mean, each species would have to design a unique one for each of their anatomy, but fighting at a distance is such a huge advantage that as soon a sapient species evolves they would try to do that. Here is an example of a atatl for a raptor like sophet dinosaur for example. https://www.deviantart.com/rodrigo-vega/art/Dinosauroid-martial-arts-121132071

Elliott

I actually like us getting the 'Grenadier' or projectile specialist role because, despite what many HFY people will claim, we probably wouldn't be the best at most things especially combat. The Resket, from what it sounds like have us majorly beat in hand-to-hand and matched on shooting for the most part. Our niche can't be LotR Elves where we're just 'better' in every way when even by our own standards on Earth we aren't all that. I'm thinking back to the first NoP when that one gunner saved Sovlin and Friends' ship by eye-balling an incoming projectile. Put us on projectile duty and we'll be a critical asset for Consortium warships when the war breaks out against the Federation (Sapient Coalition). Which by the sound of things is going to happen soon and by my speculation will be against Yotul-dominated space. Which would allow the conflict to not only go on for longer but also expand and have them leave or fracture the SC due to their belief Humans were behind it. And BOOM, new Yotul SC w/ Arxur vs. Human SC w/ half of Irvana vs. Consortium w/ Humanity. All out clusterfuck.

Elliott

How do you get in the headspace to write someone like this?

Stueymon

He's not the best representative for humanity but I reserve judgement considering he's an Ark kid, he was rushed away from earth as a child. Probably suffers huge PTSD and a massive lack of emotional development. I mean, if I thought humanity was on the precipice of extinction and someone offered you a hand, I wouldn't care if that hand was sticky from the orgy of Satan, Hitler and Wynne Evans

Elliott

He is like my polar opposite, I cannot even put myself in his shoes, he's like a super emotional child. He believes everything as soon as he's told, he never reserves judgement or seeks the truth. He's always got a radical emotional state going from "We're best friends!" to "I HATE YOU!" He's actually the worst representative for humanity because no normal human is like this at all.

Michael Halpern

fun fact, regulation Sports javelins are designed to limit the distance that they can be thrown, changes made after someone threw one dangerously far. Also grenades are one of the first gunpowder weapons ever used.

Elliott

With the way things are, the Yotul being the other most powerful faction in the SC besides Humans, they might show up instead. And going off that, Yotul see Humans fighting with this new invasion force might be seen as an inside job to weaken them, using a separate power to scheme against them–then Yotul might pull out their trap card: The Arxur and Bissem.

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

If only the real military was like you were saying...

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

None, I bet. I don't think they'll get try to attack anyone before their internal situation boils over

Spencer M.

Maybe he can throw a rock and have it hit one after bouncing off another.

Wingit98

Unfortunately I know enough people like that irl that I can't even be mad

Michael Halpern

meet the natural weapon of many primates and a few other arboreal groups (squirrels for example) throwing things, we started with sticks and rocks, but a hand grenade is just an explosive rock

Space Paladin

Taylor is consistently inconsistent 💀

Sobek

He is way too impressionable and easy to sway. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

Michael Halpern

actually both stick grenades and stickless grenades were prevalent in both world wars, often using the same explosive charge about 40mm wide the difference was mostly ease of carry vs distance, the presence of grenade launchers, first in the form of a muzzle device on a blank firing rifle was what ended the stick grenade, the US just never bothered making stick grenades in ww2 and went for a grenade design that had built in fragmentation rather than one that was primarily concussion with an optional frag sleeve, largely for ease of production and training, but also because converting rifles into grenade launchers was easy enough. Add to that because a "ball" grenade takes up significantly less space and weight a soldier can carry them and a lot more other stuff, so they didn't need to be a designated grenadier to have them.

James

Ya, I think a lot of former feds are going to be attacked at once and humans will show up to protect then and the consortium is gonna be confused.

Melez

He could work at IHOP with how much he flip-flops

Mildrey

Sivkits, they are nearest to consortium

Quenten

Definitely the Sivkits. And no way they're going to be able to defend themselves.

Byron Ritchie

Well at least gress and Taylor made up and he (gress) explained his actions Also it looks like conflict between the consortium and the SC seems inevitable if unintentional

Conner Deese

Taylor is an unstable idiot he doesn't need to be anywhere near the military let alone combat. He needs to be discharged before he gets more people killed

pogman

Nah, who gonna fight for tiny Humanity if not unstable people?

Mark Baculna

Uhmmm did everyone miss the part that theyre gonna hit back at the feds? Whose planet gonna be first to be bombed?

Dragon Writer Luc

Fun fact: In WWI, grenades were on sticks because it was easier to throw them further. For WWII, the Americans modified them to be as close to baseballs as possible—in shape, size and even weight—so that they would be more familiar for American soldiers.

Youre a swedekisser arent you

@Jonathan Cardoso Mota True, but she might doubt just how much of the Jaslip cause is or isn't done by extremists, including the parts which she does believe in.

Mark Baculna

Loool

Mark Baculna

I was first

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

The thing is that Quana already had mentioned she didn't agree with the extremists to begin with.

Stueymon

I'm just gonna say I called it that Taylor needed to listen to both sides of the story before making a snap judgement. Taylor really needs to start looking before he leaps

Youre a swedekisser arent you

Man. Just, man. To call those Jaslip terrorists fanatics would be putting it lightly. I imagine Quana is gonna start to doubt the cause once she hears that, assuming she believes it. Also nice of Taylor to show off humanity's inherent ability to YEET objects. Now he just needs to throw a rock at Mafani to truly demonstrate how humans win against birds.

Wingit98

Man, the streak continues of Taylor blowing everything out of proportion, hearing some new info, instantly believing it completely and changing his stance entirely lol

DefaultyTurtle

I think everyone we’ve seen in both books need therapists

HiMyNameIsFelipe

Taylor you are a dumbass. At least you were willing to listen

Edmund Lam

Taylor is an immature idiot. Thanks SP for writing this, especially now, with similar situations to what Gress experienced being playing out in the world.

The Moist Crusader

Neither of these two should be in the military because of PTSD, but especially not Gress if he's triggered by the sight of that entire enclave of Jaslips. They need HELP, not to join the army

AFoxGuy

Goaddamn Gress needs a therapist.

Bas Donders

I'm going to share with you one of the greatest youtube videos of all time on the subject of humanity's mastery of projectile physics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MelvH3EMGR0

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