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The Nature of Predators - Star Crossed (3/13)

🕑 Added 2024-03-20 11:00:11 +0000 UTC

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Wholesome Redditter

Because Kelv is the Rizzler

Some Lvm

So EliasArt2Life wanted someone to challenge Kelvanis' point, and though I am not a character in the story, this seems to align with what I was considering to post, so here goes: Kelvanis is not imprisoned. He lives on his home planet. Being able to work abroad is not a right, its a privilege, one that here on earth, even people from fairly developed countries, don't often get. If you are from the EU, it might be natural to you that you can just hop over to your neighbor through a virtually non existent boarder and get a job. If you are from the US, you might not even want to go anywhere else. In large countries, there are people who spend their whole lives never leaving their home town, not because someone locked them in, but just because it is the way they lead their lives. I get that Aafa was connected to the rest of the Orion arm for a millennia, and getting cut off is not easy, but we also have to remember Aafa is an entire complete planet. The Kolshians built a flourishing civilization there before they ever had FTL. And they can, and should do it again! Which brings me to my point: before Kolshians can be properly integrated back in to the galaxy, they need to get their own planet straightened up. They need to get a proper, functioning government, one they elect on their own and is not appointed or propped up by the SC or the UN. They need to get any rioters, looters, and so on, in line, even if this means reactivating shadow caste prisons and shoving them in there. They should get the infrastructure and economy back up and running. A planet is still big enough to do all that without connections to space. Everyone has to have a good, advanced society on a single world before they get enough resources together to become space fairing. So here is what I would say to Kelvanis: while it is tragic what happened to your family, and it sucks that you were born in to an unfortunate situation not of your making, everyone in the galaxy has to deal with the fact that reality is not fair. Go back home, put your botany skills in to rebuilding your planet, and earn the right to gallivant around the galaxy making discoveries. Don't expect it to be handed to you because you have a sad story. And to Chloe I would say: this is your first asylum seeker. You are going to hear many such stories, and even worse ones. If you want to keep this job and be fair while doing it, you will have to learn to filter, and focus on the important things. And then I would put Kelv right back on that shuttle and send him to his sister. Honestly, she needs him more than earth does. I mean, the poor thing is all alone now, and how is that fair?

Stueymon

Ah yes. See my previous comment about A Goldfish brain

Space Paladin

Nope, there’s been Bahri, Kane, Cedric, Danny, and Meier!

Stueymon

Ah yes, I remember now. Goldfish brain. Thanks.

glum06

There has been a good amount. Like the one shot with Tyler and Nulia and The Sacrifice

Stueymon

Is this the first story in NOP with a human protagonist?

Guardian

That's a good point. Regardless of whether any information about the arks even remains on Earth, efforts might need to be undertaken to locate them, outside of however the two narratives in the second series will/may eventually intertwine. (I can't remember if SP has stated they will; I'm pretty sure he has, though.)

extraintelligence

I was answering the question, not justifying the action.

Ethan Rappolt

thats a reason to thoroughly vet those trying to leave. it is not a reason to refuse to let ANYone leave, nor is it a reason to allow and/or encourage the collapse of social services and the widespread neglect, poverty, and so on that humanity has clearly at the very least permitted to occur.

Guardian

"Subtlety of an air-horn." Hahaha, I love it!

Swan

Because of the quarantine...

EliasArt2Life

If you want to see REALLY interesting pupils, look up cuttlefish. They have “W” pupils. Cephalopods are cool.

Soheils

Something I realized is: in the long term, Aafa, Nishtal and probably a few other planets need either a mass population exodus, or some sort of defense. For the humans that left on ark ships, the universe is now a dark forest, except they know where some of the hunters are already, while their own location is unknown. Given that ftl is a completely solved problem for all the ark ships, it seems too possible that eventually one of them will send relativistic kill vehicles at those planets, sourced from some far away system to make them untraceable. This is actually the big danger of the ark ships: humanity may have unleashed a wave of hyper xenophobic, hyper militarist civilizations on the galaxy.

Negentropy

Possibly, although we should remember its entirely possible for cultures to hold multiple seemingly contradictory stances or beliefs simulatiously - and the cycle of herbivores and plants eating and nourishing one another could still be considered a "natural" cycle of life by Kolshian. And lastly, one could also argue its a reflection of how Kelvanis' personal cultural views have developed in the context of his profession and education, his (surviving) family and growing up in a post-shadow caste and post-quarantine environment (after all, his personal views may not necessarily reflect monolithic developments in Kolkshian culture, and cultural expression and evolution itself is almost never monolithic even in the most totalitarian of societies).

PhycoKrusk

I don't think it's that they forgot it so much as it is they staffed it with people who are being punished for their conduct elsewhere, or whose aptitudes are so poor that this is where they were determined to do the least amount of damage, or who are literally there because they can't do anything else.

PhycoKrusk

I'm not saying the UN shouldn't have tried to do better; I'm saying the UN did their best. Their "best" not being very good doesn't change the fact that it was their best. (But from your reply, I think you are completely aware of this and are in total agreement)

extraintelligence

"Why should people like Kelvan, who was twelve at the Federation’s collapse, be included in the quarantine?" I can answer that: he might have been radicalized between now and then.

extraintelligence

Anyone who's interacted with the UN could tell you it's not hard to believe at all.

Michael Halpern

part of it was a compromise with those who would have rather genocided them, still it doesn't help that they ended up staffing the place with people who forgot that

Guardian

Well, if Recel is celebrated as a historical figure, perhaps Kelvanis will follow in his footsteps.

DemonVee

I'm curious how this is going to go. I believe Kelvanis should get a chance to make his chase to the Galaxy, just one issue is... it doesn't sound like he's actually asking for asylum, and his case will likely be dismissed due to a misuse of the system. I imagine Chloe suddenly swooning over him won't look help his case when the other case workers notice.

EliasArt2Life

In the UN’s defense, I think this is more about a lack of resources and workers than anything else. They have to rebuild Earth, rebuild most of the rest of the galaxy, take part in the SC, monitor the Arxur, and maintain relations with other alien species. They just don’t currently have the resources to do anything big with Aafa. It also seems like most humans still hate Kolshians for what they did, so which is why the station is understaffed. Other aliens DEFINITELY won’t help. I think the situation is most similar to what happened at the end of WWI; some people DID advocate for well thought out plans regarding reparations, but the majority was so tired and fed up with the war that they just piled it all on Germany (naturally, I’m oversimplifying it). I think that, if they had support, the UN would do more, but the rest of the SC is against it, so this is the most the UN can do without angering their allies.

EliasArt2Life

Just because no one else is better doesn’t mean that we can’t or shouldn’t be better. That being said, you’re right; if any other species chose, then ALL the Kolshians would be dead. At least, on Aafa. It’s a terrible situation, but a complex one.

Dookus Maximus

Don't translators work by interpreting what is being said and turning it into something similar in your language? If so, the closest concept may have been "the circle of life".

EliasArt2Life

@Edmund Lam Yep. That’s the true tragedy of this. We can’t do it alone, but we’re the only ones who have ANY people who care. I guess that we could get some of the Kolshians from outside of Aafa involved, but that’s a clear conflict of interests, and I suspect the SC would try to stop it from happening… We need more aliens volunteers.

NextMan

Sheep and goats have horizontal double pupils too. (So do venlil lol)

Edmund Lam

What is needed a peacekeeping and transitional force on the ground. I don’t see how the UN can have enough manpower on its own to do that while also providing the bulk of the military strength to defend the SC. You know the Sol system would be the most heavily defended system in the SC if not the entire galaxy after the extermination attempt. So the UN has priority 1, defend Sol, priory 2, rebuild Earth, priority 3, defend SC space. Doing all that will take up all available manpower not to mention finances.

Amanda Chowning

This is 100% going to be a romance plot. Honestly technically already is one at this point- already met and showing them being attracted to each other. The title heavily alludes to it (“Star crossed lovers” being a common saying), there’s like foreshadowing every 30 seconds of the story, and one of the proof-reading/editing people mentioned that this story was going to be romance related before it even dropped (one of the previous patreon comments sections, I believe in the deaf Goijd one). Heck that’s not even much of a spoiler (what the editor/proof-reader person said), because just knowing the title kinda gives away the plot. I’m not complaining, it’s nice getting what’s on the tin, and it’s an adorable story, but this has all the subtly of an air horn, lol.

EliasArt2Life

I hope the asylum request goes through. Although, I doubt it’ll be that easy, given that we’re on chapter 3. Poor Kelvanis lost all his family aside from his sister in the two greatest tragedies of that final battle. It’s sad that not many humans know about the civilians’ side of the story, but I guess that makes sense; between what humans went through, and the suffering of all the other species, it makes sense that the Kolshians would slip under people’s radar. Sadly for Kelvanis, it’s not up to JUST humanity. There are nearly 80 other species in the SC, and there would need to be a majority vote to end the quarantine. If you note, unlike most other settings, there are ONLY humans in this station. No other species is helping with Kolshian refugees. This is before even considering what the Shield would say about ending the quarantine. I would like to see the someone address the issues brought up in this chapter; talking to Kelvanis and Chloe but taking the other side. Only, not Kenzo. Someone who’s diplomatic and actually knows what they’re talking about, rather than repeating speciesist rhetoric that he’s heard. It would be nice to have someone challenge Kelvanis’ stance. He’s got a good point, but I don’t see that he’s ready for people who stand against him and have an actual point. He needs to experience that so he can be prepared for it.

PhycoKrusk

Ah, Chloe. Sheltered from the harsh reality of Orion. That the conditions are what they are on Aafa is a _good_ thing. Not because it is moral or ethical — punishing a child for the sins of their father is never either of those — but because it is ideal. Had Humanity not done absolutely everything for Aafa that they possibly could have done, there would be no Kolshians alive to decry their treatment. The arm being what it is, Humans are the only species in 2150 with the capacity for mercy.

TopazBrooch

"We, humanity, have rules of war that we hold above all else when engaging in combat, and anything outside those rules is a crime!" "..." "So anyways collective punishment sounds cool."

Dragon Writer Luc

Cats & snakes have that. Octopi have horizontal pupils.

Alekss Žukovskis

vertical pupils sounds the most alien feature of all.

mitsos_pr

The name Chloe means grass / vegetation <3

Alekss Žukovskis

ohohoho, forbidden love, hehehehe

Alekss Žukovskis

"circle of life" sounds very human, and not something an alien would say. i thought theyre allergic towards even the mention of being lesser (but maybe not, perhaps `predator bad` makes them use being eaten as moral currency to justify atrocities)

Yannis Morris

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Alekss Žukovskis

conical tail... a comical tail! are kolshians pigs?

jervictor jer

I think there was an attempt to do a Plan Marshall's last chapter they explained the UN delivers aid through Drones, and the big issue is always the same, how to pitch it to the Sapient coalition because the average meeting will go like this. UN: Hey guys how about let's do this, we used it against our Nazis in our history to turn them into a healthy society is called Plan Marshall. SC Members: All alright what it does? UN: we deliver money and investment to the Kolsihans so they can rebuild their society. SC Members: *proceeds to throw a tantrum and say they will leave the coalition*

Austin Arlt

I have to agree that it would be nice to see less fearful humans. Dustin is a good example of this but the theme of NoP is overcoming fear and prejudice so it makes sense we would see fearful and prejudiced characters.

Anthony Mears

While I do think that the UN could and should do better, we seem to be forgetting that this is a species that, for thousands of years, maintained a separate ruling society of fanatics hidden within their own with no way of knowing who is who. If ever there was the possibility of some manurian canadate conditioning among the innocent, this is the place. that's not hyperbole and you can't say that for ANY other society encountered. what's the alternative, take the children and raise them somewhere else so they don't suffer and to make sure they are not a risk from influences? Seems I heard that somewhere before...I wonder what the Skalgans would think? Caution is essential.

T___

@Byne Space Marshall Plan would have been smart. The reason for the post WWII Marshall help was more political than humanitarian. US was afraid poverty, unemployment and refugees chaos would push more European countries towards communism. Aafa seems to be a prime breeding ground for terrorists and violent criminals. Space Marshall Plan could therefore be politically argumented for other SC members. Perhaps this refugees program IS that plan, just poorly executed and staffed.

Byne

"Secondly, if they willy-nilly make Kolshain species free. some of them may decide to start terrorist organizations." True, any species that might start up terrorist organizations should be imprisoned forever on their home planet. Please dont ask about Humanity First.

Youre a swedekisser arent you

I really like the chemistry Kelvan and Chloe have together! They're just two genuinely kind people who wish things were better. It's really nice to see. Also that "This is practically a dating site profile." line is just PEAK subtle foreshadowing.

NMJ GD

It is not only that. Firstly, because of everything that happened Kolshain species needs to be punished. Individual doesn't matter, because they are punishing species. Secondly, if they willy-nilly make Kolshain species free. some of them may decide to start terrorist organizations. But the biggest reason is to "keep safe" Kolshain individuals. Despite the horrors which is happening on Afaa (And as I get the situation stabilized). The outside world is way worse for them. Pretty much 90+% of known species want them dead (big part of human population included) and even one individual is enough to make that happen. I won't be surprised if 60-70% of Kolshain's who got the asylum, were found dead in next 2 years.

Dragon Writer Luc

It's a reference to Romeo & Juliet, "stars-crossed lovers."

Byron Ritchie

I very heavily sympathise with the awkward air in their intial meeting

Kracker

This Kolvanis fellow has to be the most adorable chair I've ever read about.

Edmund Lam

Excellent. Especially now. We need to remember civilians in many societies have no control over what their government and military do.

Byne

"Frankly, I find it hard to belive that the UN could be so intentionally negligent, because Humans know how delicate you have to be with a defeated enemy." Yeah, I really feel like the UN should have done some sort of space Marshall Plan with Aafa and Talsk.

un_pogaz

>“It’s really hot in here. Or is it just me? Okay, fine: Subtlety, zero for this story haha. (there were other less loaded formulations for just an anxiety attack) >God, this is practically a dating site profile. Subtlety, absolutly zero (this will be wholsome). >This Kolshian’s kindness and empathy was remarkable I think Chloe's going to be disappointed with the other Kolshians. I'm suspicious of the average Kolshian's attitude, but Kelvanis is right, Afaa's situation is unfair. Frankly, I find it hard to belive that the UN could be so intentionally negligent, because Humans know how delicate you have to be with a defeated enemy. I had seen someone say that it was probably the former Federation members who were blocking the process, and I think he's right. The fact that the Arxur seem to have been treated more leniently may seem strange, but it's explicable: the Arxur were a horrible but still distant and nebulous threat, whereas the revelation of the Kolshians' betrayal was much more emotionally powerful, violent and concrete, creating a much greater angry response. Add to this the fact that Isif himself took the lead in seeking peace (controversial though it was), and compared to the Kolshians who clung to the last crumb of power, I can understand that the goodwill is less for the traitorous former ally than the repentant historical enemy. (not the good thing to do, but politicaly logic)

Paperclip

I wouldn't know lol, I thought the title was just sci-fi jargon

Dragon Writer Luc

He's foreshadowing that with the title of the piece.

John Benjamin Cate

A good first meeting! Sure, it wasn’t perfect, but it went rather well! And Kelvanis really is a tragic character to have lost so much of his family. Hope we get to see how this asylum process goes then, see how flawed it really is. Oh, and as a minor writing criticism, I don’t think the “wait, why did I think that” was really necessary. The thought before was one that made sense to come to mind with how minimal the info was. Maybe instead of that something like “wait, not important, focus on the priorities!” Or something where she’s getting her mind back on track. I do know this will be a romance, I just think this is a bit too early for that kind of intrusive thought as well as the the thought reacting to not being intrusive. Of course, once the relationship starts to build, intrude away! These kind of thoughts fit really well when the attraction builds!

print Path

Ba dum tiss

print Path

Magic!

Bas Donders

So much of NoP is about fear. It started with fear on Venlil Prime (now Skalga), it continued with fear under Sovlin, just fear fear fear everywhere. Just once I would like to see a pov about how humans control fear, and teaching it to the aliens. Tell them the story of Paul Atreides, or make them sit with buddhist monks. If the UN was on their shit, those are some of the first people that should have been sent to Skalga, to teach them their ways. I want Skalgan buddhists.

AFoxGuy

I guess Printers can go quick ;)

Paperclip

Wow, poor Kelvanis lost his entire family so quickly; in a matter of days. It's incredible that he's so positive despite that. He's going on my favorite character list, I think. Also, is SP foreshadowing a romance with the dating profile comment? Maybe I'm looking too deep into this but wow, Chloe was quick to come to that comparison

Yannis Morris

How

Corporal Chunk

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