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The Nature of Predators 2-18

🕑 Added 2024-03-07 12:00:09 +0000 UTC

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Johan / Phoenix

Dustin, Dustin, Dustin ... you can't just go blabbing about everything you know to everybody. That's not how you do diplomacy, or trade, or public announcements.

PhycoKrusk

And Leirn. Now that the matter of damage from engagement is settled (the damage is already done and there's really nothing that can be done to make it worse), there really is no reason for the Yotul to say "no", aside from purely political reasons.

John

Basically.

Wingit98

So they aren't so much penguin North Korea as much as they're penguin Wakanda

John

Oh yeah I completely forgot.

TheDudeAbides

I really feel like Dustin isn't playing up the, "your planets entire ecology is on the verge of catastrophic collapse" angle nearly enough.

BiasMushroom721

Woo! Shadestalkers are now cannon!

Space Paladin

There were a few thousand humans on the ark

John

Standard federation incompetence?

paintmelikeyoudoyoursheilas

Hmm Dustin's theory is likely only part of the story. Why is there no record whatsoever er? Colonisation is a huge undertaking so if they were thinking of colonising the planet there is no way there was nothing mentioned

Willy

Aye! Bad to good is what we like SP! Never good to bad.

Swan

Bit of a random question, but about how many humans are there in the ark 3 colony? I know Taylor said the population was close to the minimal viable limit, but I’ve found numbers online that put that anywhere between 93 and 14000 individuals

Lokyar

He brought two of them to Ivrana. He needs to justify that choice, or he's going to be painted as a liar, or a feddie himself. Remember that he's not just persuading the Tseia, but Naltor and Tassie, both of whom know the SC is 99% ex-Federation. Honesty as to why humanity is now buddies with them - and why he worked/is working with them - is his only real option.

Greg Gougeon

Nervous talker probably. I would do the same thing the more nervous I get the more I won't shut up.

EliasArt2Life

No.

EliasArt2Life

True, but does it really matter? None of the species who are comparing the Bissem to the Arxur care about those points, and their opinions about the Arxur (and by extension, the Bissem) are the central issue. Explaining the nuance, when the species judging the Bissem don’t see or care about it, could just be confusing on a very serious subject. Besides, he’s still got A LOT of subject matter to cover. He may have just not gotten around to it yet. He was mostly talking about Exterminators and the Federation in this chapter.

Gumcel

“You think the monsters who bombed us were victims, with good in them?” Zalk spat. I have to agree that Dustin isn’t being very persuasive there. Him painting the federation members as victims to the Tseia isn’t gonna sway anyone. It’s like if I tried to convince a child of a Holocaust survivor that the German soldiers that rounded up Jews for execution were victims too because they were manipulated with propaganda. It doesn’t even matter whether or not it’s true, they’re not gonna listen to that.

Gumcel

The real twist is that we thought Dustin would end up like Marcel, but it’s actually Nulia who’s gonna get tortured. Like father, like daughter lmao.

Gumcel

Dustin shut the fuck up for five seconds challenge (2160 degree of difficulty: impossible) Seriously he’s being interrogated and at risk of death and he’s talking about shadestalker behaviour lol💀

Some Lvm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE

Some Lvm

What I can't help but notice, is how Dustin is doing the Arxur dirty: He never disclosed to the Bissems that the Arxur did not in fact, eat people before the Federation showed up, and that they don't eat people any more, now that humanity facilitated a regime change and provided them with the technology to grow unlimited supply of meat without harming even animals (plus probably a whole bunch of cows, pigs and sheep for actual live stock to replace the sapient one). Tassi an Naltor probably think what we all did in the early chapters on NoP 1: That the "subordinate" races' fears of predators were somehow justified through natural causes. Heck, I argued that position in the comments at one point... But Dustin should really know better!

Octopi inTheSky

Naltor is refreshingly competent. All the Bissim so far handle this situation surprisingly well, especially compared to any kind of resemblance of logic that the feds could have clued together 😅

PhycoKrusk

No; they'll still open engaging with a species that isn't ready to start moving beyond its homeworld. In the case of the Bissems, the damage is already done; not engaging with them doesn't matter anymore.

PhycoKrusk

I don't think the Yotul's objection to engaging with Ivrana was ever that the Bissems were violent, but that engaging with them before they were ready to start moving beyond their cradle would result in unchecked cultural destruction (the way it has for every other species). That argument is moot now, since they're is evidence that the Bissems, at least, will be able to avoid cultural destruction so long as they are allowed to set the pace of the uplift. As to the Nomads being reasonable, torture/vivisection was clearly not on the table: Someone who is being tortured will say what they think will stop the torture the fastest, target than what is necessarily true, so it yields unreliable information, and a cadaver won't tell you anything. The fact that there were no good options for them in any of this; agreeing to start unifying with the other nations and to start allying with the Coalition is simply the least risky one.

Xelav

"A nerd" ☝️🤓

Tyler Ellis

“For fucks sake, we were having a moment!” got me, okay I was still contemplating Naltor but I officially dig the guy now.

EliasArt2Life

I’m glad that the Nomads proved to be reasonable. The Yotul are going to have a MASSIVE freak out soon! They were planning on using the Nomads’ stance as proof that the Bissem were not ready to be uplifted. NOW their argument goes from “see? The Bissem are violent!” To “see? The Federation was terrible and alienated a pre-FTL species!”. Not something they disagree with, but not what they planned to focus on. Besides that, the Nomads accepting humanity’s offer of friendship flies in the face of the Yotul argument. (We can leave out the Nomads nearly torturing/vivisecting Dustin) I think it’s better to outright tell everyone the truth. They’re going to piece everything together eventually; like Elias Meier decided, let them have it all immediately, rather than it getting leaked and spinning out of control. It’s the tact in which it’s revealed that matters. The Nomads, however, have it rough; when it gets out that they hid the attack and technology from everyone, people are NOT going to be happy. The best choice for the Nomads is to apologize, admit that they were scared, and willingly GIVE all their advanced tech to the other nations, sharing what they had been keeping for themselves, without (public) prompting. Once we continue uplifting the Bissem, the Nomads will loose their technological edge, anyway, so if loosing it a few months earlier gives them some good PR, they should do it.

Wesley Rigg

With the nomads being open to friendship now I wonder if the Yotul will do a 180. I hope so, I want NoP1 s based capyroos back.

Mr Mopp

Dang it, Dustin.

John

I don’t care let the squids suffer forever.

Swan

I'd kinda hoped the quarantine restrictions would have loosened a little bit by now; most of The Farsul and the Kolshians had nothing to do with the conspiracy, and it's not like they elected the people who established it either (Or even knew it was happening more then anyone else). Keeping them in there is just gonna breed more hate; hate which could boil over into extremist action (I wouldn't be surprised if there had been some terrorist attacks because of it since NOP1) Then again, i guess a lot of it has to do with politics, hope we more details in the next mini series coming up Great chapter as always

Michael Halpern

getting an exchange program set up will be interesting, due to dietary needs pretty much just the humans would be able to go to Ivrana and the Bissems would only be able to be hosted on a handful of worlds, human colonies, omnivore worlds that have started expanding their diets and Skalga, between the larger human populous (including visitors) and the meat factory

Space Paladin

I consider Chapter 23 to be the end of “Act 1.” Perhaps Act 2 is leading down the road of how they would ever intertwine?

Alekss Žukovskis

so shadestalkers are cannon now

Space Paladin

Wrong, if Dustin’s theory is true. We do need to look into missing ships from the time to confirm the full story!

Space Paladin

I was hoping people would notice! 😅 even threw in some lore about them courtesy of our favorite animal nerd

Space Paladin

Like I said on Discord, I use “optional” commas sometimes for the reader’s benefit, when sentences are longer. Perhaps it’s just me but without being broken up with a “pause”, they seem unending to the eye!

Space Paladin

Tassi x sushi (the best NOP ship) will have to wait a bit longer. The Bissem public still haven’t been told the truth…and other nations might not be pleased about the Tseia, just like Naltor!

Almatty

Ok now that the tension has passed can we get this crew to have a relaxing beach episode back on earth?

Paul David

Very interesting chapter

Youre a swedekisser arent you

Dustin is very quick to think on his feet. He managed to talk down the angry Tseia and make them do a complete 180. He has maxed our charisma. Also noticing between this chapter and the Kolshian series, you sometimes use commas in funky places where they look a little odd.

Adam Myers

I am so excited that Shadestalkers are now canon!

Sap

"We just have to make others see who you really are.” “A nerd.” Is this a Ziltoid reference?

Bri

SP did the yoinky and made it canon

John

When the Krev start glassing worlds in revenge for humanities “extinction”

Yannis Morris

The NoP finale detailed what happened to the Exterminators across the galaxy. It wasn't just Skalga. We do hear it pretty clearly that these are wider SC changes. And that's like a decade before now

Yannis Morris

And more info! So to list the things I know: Their name is Shadestalkers, they live on the Night Side, they have fiberglass-like iridescent fur/manes, and now they mate for life (pair-bonding) and bray when they're feeling lonely. How stupid some Former Feds must have felt when this stuff was discovered. Turns out you can learn a lot of basic info when you aren't murdering everything with the cruelest possible method

Neu5Ac

This is all going rather swimmingly, pun intended. I wonder when it's all going to go South?

pogman

This will blownup on reddit. Because of a fanon detail being mentioned in canon for the first ever time afaik! I am talking about shade stalkers.

TopazBrooch

I really do hope the Arxur are let into the Coalition relatively soon, I think all three of the friendly Arxur were really sympathetic

Bbobsillypants

It be cool if dustin explained the extent to which the exterminators shut down or reformed. Like is it just a vp thing, has the wider SC or wider gakaxy taken to thesd changes in pratices, if so how much. Dustin hasnt even brought up predator disease. Which at this point probably for the best. I dont think the bissem would want to touch the galaxy with a ten lightyear pole if they new what the former feds would do to thier own kind on the regular.

Bbobsillypants

The feds are biggoted cowardly racist who just probably assumed they lost the ship to arxur raiders, and never got the chance to send another vessel. That being said will probably find out soon.

Vladi Vladi

Problem is no one would agree with this. The tech would be either human, Kolishian or Yotul, so it would still favor these factions more than the SC as a whole. Also even ignoring favoritism, it still is a non-standard first contact approach, the closest thing would be the Arxur first contact, which ended horribly because the communication method was easy to manipulate and very impersonal

Kingarthur

Well makes me curious if they were sent there or somewhere else possibly related to the other plot line. And why the hell they sent a single ship and then nothing after. Were scouts lost that often to write it off? Cause I would have expected them to send an entire extermination fleet just in case with those assholes. Idk feels like there's just as many questions as answers with this one.

Byron Ritchie

Huh guess I was wrong about their being a weird twist with the exterminators All well great chapter nevertheless

Logos

This whole POV makes a good case for future first contact scenarios being done through autonomous drones and other kinds of robots, and not sending in living creatures until much later. All this recent galactic history could have been revealed to the Bissem through a computer screen. They could study it by themselves for weeks, and then ask the aliens questions through space skype, also present on the robots. They'd be able to choose which, if any, alien species they'd want on the first contact team, all without endangering anyone. So much drama could have been prevented. A process like that kind of parallels uplifting as a whole; not everything has to be done all at once. It can be as gradual as you like. Give the Bissem the choice to pick a level of scientific and technological advancement they're comfortable with, like the Amish do on earth. Let them choose who comes to space, or Earth. If space travel should be accessible for every Bissem citizen, or not. This prevents the Yotul experience, and leaves them autonomy in a world where (under previous management) they would have had none.

Vladi Vladi

*like 50 chapters later*…. “They nearly wiped out the most precious little things in the galaxy and they are STILL alive?!” Said the #1 reptilian fanboy. “Yeah I don’t get it.” Replied the Martial Sheep.

Byron Ritchie

I think it was the fact they were semi aquatic like the bissem

Vladi Vladi

“Why can’t we just kill them?!” Asked the 300ish species with no culture or science. “It’s hard, not everyone agrees with you, plus it would just prove them right.” Said the primate. “You lost a billion people, mostly civilians, they stand against everything that is moral or sane and you DIDNT kill them?!” exclaimed the pengus. “It’s a mean thing to do. I’d rather make them polite, like me, even if it takes like a century” reaffirmed the human

REDemon14

"To show people who you truly are." "A nerd" HA, that got a chuckle out of me Also, I think this is the first time a shadestalker, was mentioned outside of fanfics. Very nice

Sree Krishna Raja

I wonder how this story ties in with the ark ship storyline.

Yannis Morris

There had to be better herbivores than a Thafki. Though I guess there had to be *something* to point to to pretend she wasn't just there for politics

Yannis Morris

Tassi MVP

S1nsational

This really just made me realize how it's going to be centuries before there's ever a truly Post Federation universe. Their shadow will take that long to finally fade. The Federation can't be consigned to merely history while three planets and species are still quarantined. I understand why they are, and hope the Axur are free to rejoin the galaxy as equals and friends "soon".

Ryuu

Fourth lol

Paperclip

Hello

print Path

Damm you internet You fail me again

Corporal Chunk

First

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