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The Nature of Predators 2-15

🕑 Added 2024-02-26 12:00:04 +0000 UTC

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John

Point 2 is flawed since the nomads live in both hot and cold climates hence “nomads” and one of the poles is explicitly not inhabited by the any bissems because the Tsieas invaded it. Point 1 still stands though.

Some Lvm

So, I've been thinking: A number of people here suggested the Jaslips are behind Tsia nomads' technological advancement, but I find two major problems with this theory: 1. The time table: the Tsia launched their first spacecraft 100 years ago, and the Consortium also discovered the Federation 100 years ago. To get there in time, a group of Jaslips would had to have taken off immediately after Fed discovery, not even waiting for the relocation plan. And we don't even know if Jaslips had their own FTL at that time. At least, it is unclear. 2. Why did the Jaslips choose the nomads? They are adapted to a cold climate, so the reasonable thing for them would be contacting the Selmer. The nomads seem to live in pretty warm climate which should be pretty uncomfortable for the Jaslips. Finally, while I can't rule out a misunderstanding, if the nomads were harboring Jaslips for several generations, they should have known not all aliens are evil. Especially not one's with forward facing eyes. I have an alternate theory: A Farsul research team discovered Ivrana, and tried to abduct a few isolated nomads for cure experiments, same as they did to the Archive captives. Only unlike with Danny Palmer and his poor brother, this team underestimated their prey, and got captured by the Tsia instead. After learning of their intentions and reverse engineering their craft, the Tsia decided they must protect them selves from an alien invasion at all costs.

Xelav

Im THIRSTY for that Krev POV

Qwerty Smith

I have said this elsewhere. But anyone who thinks you shouldn’t hold a grudge with a monkey hasn’t met one IRL

Space Paladin

There will be multiple Jaslip characters that appear during the next ten chapters, with one eventually becoming a mainstay!

Roscuro

That's definitely not nearly as bad as it could have been.

Apogee

Man, Taylor is young and dumb and dealing with generational trauma, PtSD, and a brain injury. He shouldn’t be going anywhere and his thinking that this will be a vacation is gonna take a chunk out of his butt. Honestly the security guard would make a better ambassador or the coward mayor. Things are gonna go so wrong. I’m also thinking that Gress may develop into a father figure for Taylor which will be interesting to see

Alekss Žukovskis

worse, they would first be kolshianed

Michael Halpern

the real tragedy is the timeline, so close to when the federation fell,

Gumcel

“It didn’t. You have to understand, it wasn’t just them. The Jaslips could’ve led them straight to all of us. Every year that Esquo stayed inhabited, it was at risk of being found; you humans saw the consequences of being discovered. Hindsight is easy, to know the Federation wouldn’t have expanded. Tell me, if you could’ve left Earth and stopped them from finding humanity, wouldn’t you have made any sacrifice?” “I would,” Hathaway replied, in a measured voice. “Knowing what happened to our true home, I was willing to make any sacrifice to avoid getting into a war with the Krev.” Of course fucking Hathaway agrees immediately, not sus at all :sivkit_clueless: Side note, Lecca with an obor backpack is just adorable, that’s prime real estate for fan artists. (Also I am humbly apologizing to my fellow patrons for spamming out 4 comments, there’s just so much I wanted to say lol :venlil_feral:)

EliasArt2Life

It could be 30 in the “30 or more, but less than 40” sense, or his species could mature faster, he could have born very shortly after, or some combination of the three.

Gumcel

“It wasn’t my decision. It happened before I was born. I don’t hate you for things humans did before you were born.” Am I the only one who thinks this line in particular reminds of some of the things Tarva would say? Le parallel? Am I onto something or is this just an insane delusion of mine?

EliasArt2Life

I don’t know if it counts as good or evil, but I’m of the opinion that it was definitely wrong. Typically, in tough situations like this, the easier a solution is, the worse it is morally. And let’s face it, bombing people while they’re asleep and there’s no one awake to protest is a pretty easy solution to the problem. A much harder one would have been forcefully moving them while they were in that hibernation phase, and in poor condition to resist. And that’s not even the hardest solution to the problem. They could have cloaked the planet, or something like that, but at that point the real question is if these solutions are even possible. But, it’s hard to make decisions like that, especially when your lives are on the line. I don’t begrudge them. Although I also don’t blame the Jaslips for hating them.

EliasArt2Life

I also wonder if this could have something to do with the Tseia Nomads’ unprecedented assault on Nelmin? Did they find out about aliens in Nomad territory? Was it to provide more land for the Jaslips? Questions, questions.

Gumcel

I am surprised to see Taylor take some accountability for his actions so fast, but I guess he’s a mainstay pov character so it would be pretty annoying if he just stayed as an unlikeable ass forever. By the end of the story well hopefully see him shed off dickhead Hathaway and become a better person. Not surprised at him disliking Juvre though, he definitely seems like the type of person to hold a grudge against an animal lol.

EliasArt2Life

I’m crediting @Lunam for this idea. I’m unsure if I would have put the pieces together on my own, but I read their comment first, so they get the credit. New prime suspect for who gave advanced technology to the Nomads; the Jaslips. Gress said the consortium was created because they discovered the Federation, about 100 years ago, and the relocation started at about that time. 100 years ago is also when the Tseia Nomads began their erratic behavior. I think that rather than all the Jaslips going to Avor, some of them sought out other planets to inhabit, and came across the Bissem. They chose the Nomads because the Nomads have seasonal behavior, just like the Jaslips; when the Nomads travel to one of their other cities, the Jaslips can hibernate in one of the vacant ones. The Consortium races also have unknown levels of cybersecurity, something that the Nomads have plenty of, but the Federation and Arxur lacked. Why do the Nomads hate all aliens? Because the Jaslips told them about the Federation, and later the Consortium bombing their home with people on it. If this IS the case, then this is about to get very interesting. I’m guessing that the Jaslips are in hibernation, which is why they haven’t remarked on humans having forward facing eyes to the Nomads. When humanity talks to the Jaslips, and hear about what the Consortium did, the SC will HATE the Consortium. All of a sudden, you have two factions of humanity on opposite sides, and all the drama that comes with it. It would be the first time since the Kolshian records that the galaxy has seen a large scale human vs human, or maybe, the humans will be the only ones who DON’T want to fight, since they thought the other lost, and they have to keep the rest of the two groups from going into all out war.

Gumcel

Hey my theory about the Jaslips ended up being right :bissem_pog: Sad thing is that the glassing happened about 7 years before the federation fell, meaning that it was probably completely unnecessary lol. Also Gress says it happens before he was born but it was only 30 years ago? Am I reading that right, if so he’s a lot younger than I assumed. Even if the evacuations started more than 30 years ago, this line: “It wasn’t my decision. It happened before I was born. I don’t hate you for things humans did before you were born.” Makes it sound like he’s talking about the glassing specifically.

Some Lvm

Just because the war is over, doesn't mean generations of Fed brainwashing are gone. Even Tarva - the first alien to accept humans, and having been married to one for 15 years, still falls back to "predator - prey" paradigm with her own family. You expect the Krakotle to just say: Oh well, the squids are gone, we will just ignore our instincts now, and think the thing we believed to be the root of all evil for generations is cute.

Some Lvm

A realist should know you can draw lines all you want, but you can't beat back reality. I still don't know where I stand on what the Krev have done, but honestly, it is only because I, as reader of NoP 1, know just how shaky the Federation foundations were, and how beatable it turned out to be. There is no question what would have happened to the Juslips, and anyone found to be their ally, if the Feds did in deed discover them. The problem is, on its surface, the Federation would look unbeatable to a small group like the consortium, 6 worlds facing off with 300 space fairing member species and their colonies. Without our war history, and the partial as it may have been alliance with the Arxur, humanity still would have lost the war. Heck - if Issif didn't show up at the battle of Earth, the Arks really would have been the last of humanity. So for now, I can at least say the Krev were not wrong. Was it worth gambling that the Feds won't show? I don't know. Would the Feds have shown up, if humanity didn't rear its head in Fed space and shuffled the galactic deck? I don't know. But I think we can all be sure what kind of carnage would ensue if the had.

Elliott

I actually thought of Demon Deity's Marred Migration fanfic, the Sivkit's weren't friendly with humans but didn't want to participate in genocide against us, they just avoided us and I believe some fled. Sivkits honestly deserve better, they got crippled by the Federation so hard they walk on fours now. They couldn't even trust humans for reverse gene edits so now I assume most are still quadrupeds with bad backs.

Elliott

I don't even see what they did to the Jaslips as evil. It was done to save THEM, and they made the extra effort of offering space on their own homes. Sure it sucks and can seem pretty scummy in hiding it from them, but they tried their hardest to even forcefully relocate them. It's official, I'm a Krev Apologist.

John

I wrote this theory off at first but the more I think about it the more plausible it sounds.

Anemoia

It's the logical conclusion when seen from an outside perspective, but what Taylor is worried about is that they made the decision, behind the Jaslips' backs, to kill the remaining holdouts. If the Consortium was willing to sacrifice them to avoid the Federation's attention, what would stop them from handing over the last humans if they demanded it? Obv, we know the Federation is long gone, but they don't.

Qwerty Smith

Bro, you’ve clearly never met a monkey if you think you shouldn’t beef with a monkey

Lunam

.......................Oh fuck. They didn't realize there were survivors. Survivors who PROBABLY moved to a Penguin world.

Cartoon dinosaur

Space paladin, Shouldn't the Kratol consider humans cute? considering bird chicks are naked, and humans dont have much integument , that should be enough for the same signals to go off right? Has this become apparent since the end of the war

Brianreal

Well, compared to the feds, the krev are angles. I mean, what other options are there? You cant move the entire system, there's always a chance the feds would find them, and if you leave the world habitable, you'd undermine all your efforts to cover your trail. On a side note, I really hope Gress and Taylor get to be besties, he really need a shoulder to lean on and I guess to a krev, having a sentient primate pal would be awesome.

Wingit98

What they did with the Jaslips was evil for sure, but not irrational, especially with their closest federation neighbors being the Sivkits of all races, who seem to be the Galaxy's worst invasive species and jump from planet to planet. I can at least understand this heinous act, relative to the many, many, many other heinous acts in this series.

Brianreal

He is single, but I'm not sure if it is has anything to do with the story, at least not yet. It's far too early to see. I honestly think Gress and Taylor will end up best friends and hopefully helps Taylor through his problems.

Tyler Ellis

Really digging the imagery you painted of the Jaslips, something majestic and seriously hope we see some in character at some point. Also love how Taylor admits the fact that the incident was all his fault rather than blaming Gress but I’m still concerned about Taylor, for the love of God Gress you’ve got to realize that Juvre is a better ambassador for humanity than Taylor is.

Ron1990

Uh oh, I try to imagine the human reaction when they found a glassed world, inhabitated by carnivores with binocular vision some 30years ago, and not destroyed by the kolshians. Something to get paranoid.

Ron1990

Are the Sivkits member of the SC?

GeneralLDS

as bad as the whole jaslip situation is, I think things would’ve been worse if they hadn’t done that. I could imagine the federation sending an extermination fleet and wiping everyone out

Ron1990

hmm... damn patreon editor, how can i do a (argh.. quoting also not working) return+ line feed? ok, found it! shift+ret, i'm sure this doesn't function some seconds ago :-)

Willie

I get why they did it but decimating a planet feels horible and not trying to abduct the sleepers (the second is probably unfeasible) I do love gress just he's so hopelessly obsessed with humans it's adorable... and he's single~ Taylor feels like he needs a good cry a good venting session he just needs to release all that biuldup- also some therapy after he deserves better

Space Paladin

I’m sure they’d be totally chill about it 🤔

PhycoKrusk

Taylor is being sent to talk to the Consortium for two reasons: 1) Hathaway wan't be bothered to find somebody else 2) Hathaway is _hoping_ that Taylor snaps and screws up specifically so he can nail him to the wall, blame everything going wrong on him, and then send somebody else to "clean up." Everything he's doing, he is doing to improve his own image. As to whether Taylor is American or not: Irrelevant. He was 9 when he left Earth, and as we've seen, the UN sent barely any literature with them outside of field guides and repair manuals. He literally _does not know_ history, and so it is wholly unreasonable to expect him to have self-awareness in this instance.

Gavin Pierce

No doubt. But i think that as more and kore of the federations true crimes are revealed to the consortium even the jaslips may be horrified enough to accept it

Lokyar

Yeah, what the consortium did was nasty but necessary from what they knew at the time. The dick move was to do it while the Jeslips were hibernating against their will. If they'd okayed it but said to do it during hibernation to minimise suffering, that's different... but it doesn't sound like that's the case, it sounds like it happened then mostly for political expediency.

Triskit

30 years ago was 2130. Well before humans were discovered

Danny Luca

Thank you for explaining!

PhycoKrusk

In the past here, I have always been one to advocate for realpolitik; the approach to political challenges with regards solely for the realities for the situation, and none to ideals. There are times when we must compromise parts of our ideals in the present so they were can continue to pursue them in the future. Even a realist, however, must draw a line where the things beyond it are too far. Evil is never necessary, and it must never be necessary. The moment that it is, the moment that someone accepts that the final line must be crossed, the game is over; not because they've lost, but because there is nothing for them to win. God save the Krev.

Thrownawaz

Taylor do NOT fight someone's space puppy! Your situation is barely stable again!

Paperclip

I wonder if this whole thing with Esquo is how the Consitorium gets in contact with the SC. I imagine the Feddies haven't even discovered Esquo yet, and as the Sivkits relocate to Esquo and find signs of life, they investigate and find trails to the Consitorium. They open channels one way or another, mutually tell each other to fuck off, then the Krev mentions the Federation and how they hate them, the Sivkits spill the beans and tells the truth about what happened, at least up until the point where they isolated themselves. Hearing that Humanity is still alive, the Consitorium tries to get in contact with them. Bombing the Jaslips like that is kind of a Feddie move though. This might be a crackhead theory, but I'm seeing parallels to the Bissems and Jaslips because of that. We have two races that are (rightfully) bitter with how First Contact went for them, and another race undergoing a pretty rocky First Contact. I feel like it's not too far-fetched to say that after contact with the SC is made, that the Yotul and the Jaslips form a First Contact worker's union of sorts. I'm not sure what this would entail, but I feel like that's where we're headed.

TheDudeAbides

Why is Taylor allowed to interact with the aliens still? He gets like, one wrong word or a dirty look from an alien on Avor and he's gonna snap. I'm calliing it now, something will go majorly wrong on this trip. Like scenario I'm imagining is the Obor antagonize Taylor and he snaps, yelling and freaking out at the thing. Tbe daughtrd will witness the second half of that and run up to get him away from the Obor and not realizing who she is he'll react to defend himself, hurting her in the process. Also is Taylor American? Because if so he needs to stfu. The generations before us forcibly relocated people (but unlike the krev there was no help for the people we forced off their land.) then killed any stragglers. Except the krev had a legit reason for their act of calculated cruelty. Humans through history have done similar things as what happened to the jaslips but our ancestors motivation wasn't preventing the end of the species, it was all done for comparitively tiny, unimportant (compared tok the ore) reasons like little bits of money, land, power, resources and/or resources.

Aured

So, they've been living underground for 20 yrs. I don't recall if the earlier chapters said how long they were in the ark ship - long enough for things to fall apart. That means 30 yrs ago could easily fall _after_ the SC took down the federation. When the Jaslips discover their home was glassed for no reason after all, there will be trouble!

Abby

30 years ago... Oh god. Wait until the Jaslips find out that they abandoned their homeworld and left their kind for dead for absolutely nothing.

Dragon Writer Luc

I was struck with the timeline: it happened at the exact same time as the war with the Federation, or pretty close anyway. Someone avoiding the region wouldn't know that things had changed.

PS1 Hagrid

THE ZEYZELL ARE REAL

Full_diamond_6414

I think you underestimate how emotionally fragile people are. Put a person without the right tools into a high pressure situation, and your animla brain moght revert to some....methods that worked in the past - sort of a "i never stabbed somebody that didnt immediately stop being a problem" kind of like...default to instinct. If people have temper tantrums at service staff over like...burger orders...than I absolutely see most people not beomg very in control of themselves.

Bbobsillypants

Gotta say the consortiums actions dont seem to bad. I mean they could have definetly done things differently when the people your trying to evacuate have a mandatory month long "off" mode. Just a little preventative genocide. To prevent one big genocide. Federations action make that look like kiddy time. Wonder how the jeslips are gonna react tho when they realize that not only did the federation not expand to their world, it never will because the same monkeys you just rescued, pulled the mother of all hail marrys and effectively destroyed the federation as a concept.

Pleaseandthabkyou

I don’t even think they’re morally ambiguous, just were put in a shitty situation and were forced to act in shitty ways because of their moral principles. Intent and principle is a better measure of morality than actions.

John Benjamin Cate

Well, I look forward to the revelation that this act was completely pointless.

Space Paladin

Thank you!

kenneth Moore

I am literally nonplussed by this comment… :)

Space Paladin

Both of those things will be answered; a lot of the details of the Esquo situation are very important 😅

Koda

I really hope Taylor’s mannerisms and bedside manners improve, imagine if all our diplomats acted out this way or were this vocal about their own opinions, instead of keeping their thoughts to themselves and doing what’s best for their people. I know he’s not a trained diplomat, even though his job was to act as a liaison/ ambassador, but at this point I’m sure your average burger-joint manager is better at negotiating and de-escalating than ol’ Trench here. it makes for an interesting story, I’ll give ya that.

Steve Vega

Based on the timeline, if the Consortium had just waited a few years the nukes would have been completely unnecessary. When they inevitably find out that the humans actually beat the feds in only a year after discovering FTL by making friends with a slightly less monstrous Arxur commander and some herbivores who were hoping for a chance to choose violence with the squids there's definitely going to be some drama with the Jaslips.

Steve Vega

I think he meant that the Jaslip were 7 days to get to the Sikvit, but the rest of the consortium is further out. I also think there was a mention by Noah in the NoVa story that the FTL ships used by humans post war can cross the entire galaxy in a week (or a month?) but I might be misremembering.

Byron Ritchie

Huh I guess I was right about the consortium being morally ambious and not evil… Well not as evil as the feds anyways

BigSneppy

Bro is beefing with a monkey 💀

Anthony Mears

FYI if you've never seen it, "Be the first to share your thoughts" is on the screen when you are in the comments with no entries. it refreshes slow so 6 people can all think they're the only ones there.

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

It was the previous krev chapter, chapter 12 IIRC

Matthew Evan Davis

How many holdouts are we talking about? The first thing that stuck in my head is that if they hibernate, they could have taken any Jaslip holdouts then before pulling the trigger. Was an attempt made?

Alekss Žukovskis

I love the krev, i hope they're benevolent assholes to anyone but terrans.

th3h4ck3r

Partial genocide < multiple complete genocides

REDemon14

I has a suspicion that was the situation with the Jaslips. It's a tough spot to be in. Though I wonder what would happen if sivkits appear in consortium space anyways. That might be how they and the ark humans find out about Earth's survival and the federation's collapse. It'd be funny for the Krev to find out that the adorable sapient primates have solved a good amount of Orion's problems.

Kingarthur

If they're basically already on avor and it's only 7 days to get to skivit space did they not actually get very far or is their ftl drive just better than the ark ship? For people attempting to get as far away as possible and needing to land due to lack of supply it sure seems like they're still really damn close

John

The Krev committed war crimes to ensure the federation didn’t find them.

Ciberj1

Loving this story more by the second!

Janne Riihinen

Morning y'all

Byne

"The Krev was nonplussed by the human dwarfing his own figure" Nonplussed is frequently used to mean unbothered but it actually means bothered enough that you dont know how to react.

HiMyNameIsFelipe

Hey can someone help me clear something up? I think I missed the part where they talked of the Jaslips before. When where they mentioned and what was said of them? I feel like I just missed a point in the conversation

print Path

Hey you just wrote E then change it Hmmmmmm Well played I guess

Pepe Groeneveld

thought id give it a shot but yall are too quick

Alekss Žukovskis

6 firsts in 1 minute, thats gotta be a company record

Anthony Mears

1st...uh 6th.

Tyler Ellis

Damnit all!

Alekss Žukovskis

Forst

Pepe Groeneveld

first

print Path

First

Themu 050

First

Corporal Chunk

Fiiiiirst again, prolly gonna fall soon enough to the great Print Path Anyways, on another note, i want a UN exploration to stumble on Avor and the gress almost shooting them down because they thought it was the Feds, then the humans recognising the UN emblem


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