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The Nature of Predators - Gojid Refugee (5/9)

🕑 Added 2024-02-24 12:00:07 +0000 UTC

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Lorventus

Actually: Pack Predators do help their weaker members. Not all of them do so and not all of them that do, do so with kindness, but they do. A pack lives and dies by its members, sometimes you need a home body to watch over the pups. Or in our case, children. The issue with herd behavior is it tends to not encourage nurturing and protection of the weak and ill.

Rick VanHoute

Yes, I've been waiting to see this scene playout form his pov.

Space Paladin

Talpin is physically writing the words so he can underline for emphasis!

Some Lvm

@Elias: I did notice this was the first time underline font was used in NoP content, and wondered why that was. If this is indeed a way of differentiating Talpin's narration as a different kind of "inner voice", it might be interesting...

Yannis Morris

Continuing the point: Imagine if the humans get nervous. Talpin’s been given something he was never even able to dream of and so many humans around him are apologetic and ashamed that they couldn’t give him anything better because they’re strapped for resources. The “predators” are helping him in the middle of their potential extinction

everything very

I actually kinda hope talpins story carries on either now or as a part 2 where he can have his own ark outside of linking back to his role in the main story :)

Edward ward

it’s not nothing. Solivin believes with all his heart that he just sentenced a CHILD to a potentially horrific death. Through no fault of his or Talpin’s. And that he’ll be made to watch. It doesn’t matter how wrong he is, that fear and grief is still real.

EliasArt2Life

I think that it’s pretty cool that Talpin, rather than exclaiming something, underlines words to show emphasis.

Gumcel

Two underlined words? What the hell :krakotl_high: Yes I am struggling of something interesting to say, how could you tell? :sivkit_clueless: (For real though I don’t know what to discuss this is just ch 29 from Talpin’s perspective)

Guardian

I like this. It's like listening to behind-the-scenes commentary on your DVD/Blu-Ray. I can see it now: "Available for the first time: Forrest Gump, Explorative Edition. Enjoy one of humanity's beloved classic films, complete with commentary from leading Terran psychologists, and learn the truth about the 'human condition."

Space Paladin

Sovlin had to decide then and there whether he trusted us not to be like the Arxur—he couldn’t toe the line anymore!

Space Paladin

I’m glad you’re enjoying it! It’s been fun to revisit this time, a bit of a vintage feel…especially since it may be the last content set in NOP1! It’s almost crazy that we never got Gojid refugee content before this

Space Paladin

I did have an idea for HE3, but I think it’s probably best to focus on new characters and stories since they all got a good ending!

Space Paladin

All they need is to see soldiers using hand signs to direct each other…

Apogee

Nice comments! I like that you blocked them out instead of putting them in one long string. I can tell your really engaging with the story. This is one of my favorites too. This is basically a book club and I’m all for it! Yeah, I wonder if the feds had another term for the center of self. That would be interesting. I know for us the figurative heart is the seat of desire and motivation, because it’s our engine so to speak. It what’s let’s us move and do things. Though as far as the soul I believe that’s more in the blood. Since without blood to pump the heart can beat all it wants but you would still die. The life is in the blood. I think that’s why a lot of cultures put emphasis on the blood, especially in scarifies and the like. Oh I think the Yulpa put emphasis on the blood and heart in their sacrifices other than pain. Sorry I kinda rambled

Yannis Morris

I remember Rauln questioning why humans would use such a violent wording like “bleeding heart” to describe someone feeling pain at the thought of another’s suffering (Wow I wonder if that’s a word that starts with the letter E or smth) I wonder how he and Haysi and whoever else would react upon learning that humans consider The Federation’s lack of help to Talpin “heartless”. And linguistically that’s a really interesting set of terms isn’t it. That we ascribe all this importance, feeling and emotion to a single organ. Think about it. What is the heart? It’s the reason we’re alive. It’s our core. So we describe someone who would abandon someone to this fate as Heartless. We say they act as if they’re lacking the core of their being. Lacking what makes them a living breathing human in the first place. I am very interested in what Haysi would have to say about this linguistic curiousity. We literally feel so strongly about this. So goddamn strong. And the Feds and Ex-Feds have the gall to claim we’re faking for some plot to convince them we’re kind, caring people like them. While they prove themselves to be selfish cowards. (I had a lot of feelings about the cultural importance of the heart to humans and Rauln’s confusion on why we’d describe it as bleeding when we hear someone’s woes)

Yannis Morris

Yeahhh. Between this and Prime Minister Piri it would be pretty hard to subscribe to the idea that humans are subsapient monsters mimicking “prey” in order to get closer for the kill. Because we aren’t acting like them either. “Predators” don’t help their weaker members but “Prey” sure as shit don’t either. “Predators” don’t give their lives so that “Prey” may survive but none of the “Prey” did that either.

Yannis Morris

On this day Sovlin proclaims that humans are “Nothing like the Arxur” which, true. Something he fails to articulate in that moment is that we’re also nothing like The Federation. And that is a very good thing

Yannis Morris

In before another Gojid Refugee or a Venlil tries to discredit sign language with Fed Mental Gymnastics like “They clearly invented it so they could hunt without prey being able to hear their disgusting voices”

Yannis Morris

I know that after Hunter this would be preaching to the choir and I don’t actually know what the average 1960s person would feel about this topic… But I would imagine Hunter hearing about Talpin’s pad and he’s assuming that “Humans gave him a speech-to-text-and-back pad” implies something like “He lost his old one in the evacuation”. And Sovlin would hear this assumption and be further convinced of the Federation’s worthlessness. Because he knows that the pad wasn’t even an idea in anyone’s heads. And yet the “Primitive predator” from a period of war just thinks it’s a given of life that the deaf man would have accommodations

Yannis Morris

This is why people join Humanity First. (For context to those who haven’t seen Predator Disease or Human Exterminator 2: The relatively “benign” side of HF has the belief that Federation Culture is worthless and should be replaced with superior human culture. The entire concept and “treatment” plan of PD and the nonexistent Disability care are most likely where this side of HF gets its motivation)

Yannis Morris

I think the real breakdown will start when this is the most care and effort he’s ever received in his life but to the human’s they’re not even doing anything impressive. Worst, they think it’s probably a substandard accommodation he’ll have to put up with until they can get him some *actual* accommodation.

Matěj Kratochvíla

Hey I just read through the vast majority of bonus content here (was reading NOP Reddit only content just a week ago) and I especially liked Wiliam Kane and his story and appearances. So I know that the end of Venlil Foster Brother was meant to give him the "happily ever after" ending but I'd still like to see something about him, perhaps something similar to "Nova's Children" or just continuation of his exterminator squad shenanigans? Please?

Vladi Vladi

Ah the pit in my stomach is gone. I no longer desire to beat to death the two Gojids who feature the most in this short story. It’s nice when the POV is not Federation Slaves, but actual people. Nearly makes the whole thing worth it, watching them change in real time

Grimble

This side story has quickly become one of my favorites, it’s also nice to see someone start questioning fed logic so quickly. Can’t wait for more

EliasArt2Life

To someone who’s lived in silence all his life, the mere attempt of communication is enough to cut through a lifetime of lies. It’s rough. Being so starved for recognition, for someone to treat you as a person, and never getting it. It’s no wonder that he’s so quick to change his opinion on humans when they’re the first people to show that they care for him and want to communicate with him, outside of his family. Can’t wait for the next chapter! I want to know how he reacted to his speech board!

Lokyar

Berna got the auditory segment and yet realised its falsehood before Talpin; though that was mostly due to being able to hear the human. It's the combination of the Federation and it's members being brutal to any "deviant or defective" members of the herd, Talpin and Berna experiencing that personally, and humanity giving a flying fig about anyone. They've not broken through yet; note how the statements are "they aren't as good as us prey, but they might not be as bad as we were told" instead of "holy shit, these people are better than our people ever were"... but there are cracks forming.

Apogee

Man I had forgotten just how deep the fed ideology goes or how much they believed it. Poor Solivin is literally crying in devestation over nothing, sad. Awsome chapter can’t wait for the next one!

T___

The first thought of Sam was trying to talk directly to Talpin himself. Other than his sister, it was the first time that happened to him. To Talpin that was what broke his earlier stance on humans.

PhycoKrusk

He has to be: Can't hear at all, so you have to compensate by picking out context clues from other actions.

PhycoKrusk

Honestly, the tablet seems like a stopgap until they have a better understanding of Gojid physiology and can create an implant. Or maybe some of the camp staff got impatient and cobbled it together from inexpensive software, an old tablet, and a second-hand Speak&Spell.

Tazeell

Sovlin to the rescue! Miss you old chap! Nothing like a bit of hero worship to help get a message through.

PhycoKrusk

Talpin's deafness has actually forced both of them to have a different viewpoint their entire lives: They were certainly predisposed to believing predators were intrinsically bad, but were not predisposed to believing that prey were intrinsically good. Sometimes, breaking through cult programming takes weeks, months, or even years of focused effort. Other times, all it takes is a glitch on the Matrix.

Bbobsillypants

Oh No talpins having a sovlin moment! Quick tape up the airlocks! No.. wait.. nevermind.

Serpent_Bon 274

Didn't her family die in the bombings? Or was that just her husband?

Dragon Writer Luc

Hearing aids don't give you sound when you're deaf. They help you hear when sounds are *dulled.*

Byron Ritchie

Despite missing on of his senses talpin is far more perceptive of human behaviour then many fully abled former feds

REDemon14

You know, I wonder what the nature of Talpin's deafness is. Bad eardrums? Deformed bones in the ear? Because if it's the bones; then there are surgeries to address that or even bone-conducting head phones. Though, going by what they go with in the end; I guess he just had bad eardrums. Great chapter

un_pogaz

Today is the day! The great war hero intervenes! >What I would give to see how they treated deaf packmates, and compare it to Blessed Fields’ cruel indifference. Talpin, you're going to rage so hard. I really like how Talpin immediately understood that we were trying to talk to him by gesture, and all the implications behind it. He's completely starved for social interaction, poor boy. I find the "Fed dogma" collapse of Talpin and Berna's very brutal. They're still suspicious, but they've gone from "horrible predator who's going to eat us" to "people" faster than many. Not so surprisly after all, they're in an extreme case, so they see the empathy of humanity just as strongly. Oh, and Samantha MUST introduce her brother to Talpin. Do I need to explain the potential wholesome of this encounter?

Youre a swedekisser arent you

Can't wait to see Talpin get a custom made hearing aid! He's probably going to weep like a baby upon hearing for the first time and I am ready for it!

Full_diamond_6414

I think if I found out a refugee camp (run by me people) was filed with people who thought we culled anyone with disabilities, my next course of action might be to (for lack of better/respectful terms) "show off" or visibly parading around someone or some alien with a disability. And with the "get to know a human" info line failing, it might be easier to set up something like a "get to know earths plants/fauna" thing, or presentations on why the snake wkth friendly loking eyes might not be so safe. Like, if I'm terrified of getting to know a human, having a sort of (almost touristy) exhibit on some plants, bugs, small animals (etc.) Would be a draw for a less "scary" reason. I don't "want" to do te scary thing, but I do want to learn some basic survival info, and may be wiling to interact with (and desensitize myself a bit) humans. Its just clear at this point that you are dealing with deeply ingrained programming. You really need to break down their brains rationalizations and bad logic. They need to be so extraordinarily visibly different in order to get them to challenge their beliefs. And if we don't have a company whos core function is to take human movies, books, etc and reduce graphic content to an amount more commercially viable among the feddies and to explain the context of things that are commonly misunderstood as predatory. Like a movie might have a 5-10 minute opener with some "things to know before watching" to cover some background/prevalent stuff in the film (maybe an explanation of the purpose of makeup or the forms of play og children). With like, annotations or segments where they cut away to some explanation. In my headcannon, its like taking a super biased (but trying to be open) alien bill nye, who is clearly baffled by some stuff but is doing his best to be open about it all. Like interspersed throughout the movie might be cut aways to the alien scientist explaining forrest gumps leg braces or exploring the roles in forrests bullying. Lots of cultural content and our companies would definitely see the opportunity to edit down content to expand their market.

Jonathan Cardoso Mota

To be honest, he's also the kind of guy who'd been... At the bottom of the totem pole of federation life, suffering the worst it has to offer. He was already primed and ready to deny the truths of the federation because they made his life hell. And seeing humans just... Do so much better, when he expected them to do so much worse? This wasn't /quick/, no, it was just... The end of a long chain of events.

Full_diamond_6414

Hmm, almost as if he's missed out on a portion of the state sanctioned brainwashing reduces its effectiveness. At least, the auditory segment.

snidramon

Talpin actually got out of the fed brain fog pretty quickly there. I suppose he's one of the few who would actually have to think, so it makes sense he's faster than Sovlin was.

print Path

Congratulations, I step down for now, may you bask in the glory of your victory

Alekss Žukovskis

Some days ago a guy complained about peeps saying in what order they arrived, well bazinga, im fifth.

Paperclip

Talpin and Berna showing common sense (in Fed dogma) that rivals Tarva is a breath of fresh air. They caught onto things it took other characters dozens of chapters to pick up on, in the span of like, three. Again I wish that they were a main focus in NOP1. I love these spiky goobers.

Pleaseandthabkyou

U thought

Wesley Rigg

third

PS1 Hagrid

First. The people that saved you from the arxur, gave you refuge, warm food and tried to help you find your loved ones might not be bad people, what a shock.

Corporal Chunk

Oh ma god, oh ma god i'm actually first, i have risen from second to first! Hoorah!


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