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The Nature of Predators 2-12

🕑 Added 2024-02-15 12:00:05 +0000 UTC

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Bow-Tied Engineer

I knew it! We ARE the dog aliens of NOP! Aside from playing fetch, I think this makes all off the dog alien tropes accounted for.

Yannis Morris

Theory: Krev Consortium culture makes travel between worlds strictly prohibited (So as not to tip off the Federation). The other Consortium species may start to accuse humans of using cute privilege to get around the restrictions (Become refugees on the Krev home planet)

Jay Scott Raymond

Re Lisa: The Kolshians were paranoid control freaks who believed they were saving the galaxy from the rise of predators. It'd be a bit odd of they weren't looking around. The Krev are close enough to have found out about the Feds and their tendencies. If the Krev could find the Feds, the Feds could find the Krev.

Lisa

Why do you think the Kolshians were out looking for aliens? I don’t recall that ever being mentioned, or any sign of it. Sure, they explored their immediate area, but the entire Federation could be crossed by FTL in a few weeks. The Krev are years of FTL away. Why would the uncurious Kolshians be studying planetary atmospheres that far away?

John

Whatever gave the impression the Krev were like the federation?

br900

Even without us screwing up our planet things go extinct all the time and not always from some great event.

Koda

My theory: they uplifted the Jaslips Prob found them and they saw they where vulnerable to the Feds so they intervened to save them which is prob ridiculously controversial at the time with some in their mini alliance arguing that letting the Federation hopefully pass them by was better than to interfere with a species so early in their development and become ‘just like the Feds.’ Prob drawing a parallel to what happening in our other little corner of the SPUniverse.

Koda

I’ve been putting off reading the Krev chapters because I thought it would be fedration2-electricBoogaloo but now I’m hooked. Monke 🙈

Corporal Chunk

Probably yeah, just feels short for me

Willy

I actually think the Krev moved the Jaslips Gress says they *prevented* the feds from finding them. Which means they moved them from their home world and you understand where the “necessary evil” thing comes from. Suddenly saying goodbye to your home isn’t easy, the Krev were so empathetic that they let an unknown species live in their space. Krevs won’t be evil.

Stella

Hating the Feds doesn’t mean they’re good guys. Maybe instead of genociding predators they forcibly domesticate them? or something.

Mutedmirth

like i said always a catch lol

John

What? The Krev explicitly hate the Feds no way they are bad guys.

Willy

Accept the Space Cannibles saved us. Oh! And let’s not forget the planet we neutralised wanted to genocide us at the first sign of our existence. Noone is innocent at this point. With this kind of technology comes the potential for many great evils. So far humanity is doing a good job at not becoming delusional power mad imperialist, this is mostly thanks to our cute instinct towards the other former fed species.

Willy

This chapter was actually like any other chapter its just perception fucking you up.

Colin Jordan

I believe that the whole of ark 3 before last chapter was ment to be a parallel to how Kolshian society was after 'the hunger'.

Willy

Im getting federation bullshit 2.0 vibes

Alex

Crabs. There's like 7 distant different times they've evolved, unrelated too each other. Don't see why arboreal mammals that look like primates wouldn't be common as well. There's been prior monkey-like mammals as well that were unrelated to primates and monkeys.

Yannis Morris

@Ella Yeah I saw that too. “Primates on the brink of extinction who figured out they could use the Krev for food and safety”. I’m sure that has no bearing on current events

Kilo Rat

I agree, they might just treat the humans as pets and not respect them as equals. The humans in that situation have no leverage, so it's up to the Krev if they want to do the right thing.

Wingit98

The level of convergent evolution in this universe is pretty wild. To have similar looking animals is one thing, but the fact that they even exhibit all the same behaviors is crazy.

Ella

Yeah something felt just a little uncanny to me when Gress mentioned that the Obors had been on the brink of extinction when the Krev found them. A little too familiar, maybe.

Jay Scott Raymond

richfiles, who are you responding to? I've already made it crystal clear that radio broadcasts are the least of the issue. In fact the only time I mention radio is to point out it isn't just that.

richfiles

You greatly overestimate the range of radio broadcasts. Grand ideas of catching alien radio transmissions are... Not so grand once real physics gets involved, and you look at signal losses with distance. It's not long before you are below the noise floor of the cosmic background radiation. Just don't point anything FTL their way, and you're good by way of inaction.

Sobek

monke

Guardian

Nah, just a bonk.

Gavin Pierce

Maybe even destroyed their homeworld and relocating them thinking it was better(which for some very well could have been)

PhycoKrusk

"Hey, you. You're finally awake."

RaptorRed

I am glad we didn't torture.

RaptorRed

Just read the last 2 krev chapters. That was unexpected. so we don't have to hate the krev anymore? Is it too early to celebrate? Will they really do/allow all the things gress is saying. I am still skeptical. Also it's weird to be on the receiving end of you are cute. That's because you don't know us. Nobody tell them our history on earth. How does one just get treated poorly for so long and get instant forgiveness? the krev hated us but not anymore because we are primates like your pets, you believe us when we say we aren't feds? I guess if you know enough about the feds you would know we would never have been accepted. You are really ok with Tyler hitting you over the head? You just hated us cause we were secretive and you thought us the feds? Don't mind me I am still recovering from the whiplash and now I can't wait for more, thank you.

Willie

Look I haven't joined the discord yet sue me

everything very

Am I the only one kinda urked that none of the humans or krev cared to tell the aboveground workers the good news asap?I get that Taylor and Cherise (and by extension gress but to a lesser extent) were overwhelmed but the mayor was totally in a position to be able to spread the good news and had an obligation to do so. And the other three only had a kinda brief window where it was acceptable for them to not communicate

everything very

Just hold tight and pray for Cheris to speak instead

everything very

Being in a prison or a nuclear bunker 🤔

Jon Arbuckle

I'm sensing something disturbing on the horizon. Especially that note about domestication.

Gumcel

Alright now I’m thinking that the consortium has people who want to keep hiding, and those who would rather fight the federation. And the emergence of a new species being victims of a federation genocide is going to push the argument in favour of those who’d rather fight.

Jay Scott Raymond

First its not just the Jaslips, its all of them. Second, dude, honestly, what a meaningless handwave. I just gave a fairly detailed explaination (for a forum post like this) as to why this would be a horrendously difficult problem over deep time, especially with paranoid control freaks like the the Kolshians searching for millenia for anyone who might upset their apple cart and your answer is essentially just to move them to some magical place where they are hidden? No it isn't that simple. Yes you do need something special. At least in any universe where something like known physics applies. Sorry if I'm coming across as aggressive here, but after reading your post I almost broke my nose with the facepalm.

Gumcel

I don’t see why they necessarily have to be carnivores/omnivores, even if they were herbivores it would be bad for all of them if the federation found them. Also sp has already told us on discord, they’re fox like mammals, yes I know foxes aren’t herbivores but the thafki, kolshians and now krev all resemble carnivorous earth animals despite being true herbivores.

PhycoKrusk

The good news is that space provides a good buffer; where Ark-3 is now is after running in FTL for 3 years without stopping, or close to it. The Coalition is struggling to keep itself together enough to interact with the Bissems and they're next door. The Consortium is pretty safe in that regard.

PhycoKrusk

Hathaway is the real villain here. He doesn't want to do the work, so he sends Trench. If everything goes well, then he's a genius for sending him. If it goes poorly, then it's not his fault that Taylor went rogue, it appeared that he had recovered from his head injury, oops.

PhycoKrusk

You really don't need anything special to do it, because the best way to not be found by someone is to not be in the place where they're looking for you. That's it. If they want to conceal the Jaslips from the Federation, they just have to make sure they're in a place where they can keep the Federation from looking.

Gumcel

Taylors obviously not blameless, but all of this shit is mostly the mayor’s fault. Which is why his behaviour pisses me off so much, he acts like none of this is his fault when in reality most of the blame falls on his shoulders. And of course he fucking sends a concussed man and a guard to act as diplomats instead of doing it himself, because he fucking sucks.

Gumcel

“The kid stopped with a puzzled expression. ‘Mom says you would kill us if you saw our faces. Are you gonna kill us?’ ‘No. Parents are wrong sometimes. I…really like your faces, for what it’s worth.’” Almost identical to the Marcel meeting Nulia scene, surely that’s intentional? All we needed was a scene of Taylor torturing Gress and it would’ve been a perfect parallel. And Hathaway continues to rub me the wrong way and Gress continues to be based.

Gumcel

I’m guessing they snatched up the Jaslips and relocated them while they were hibernating lol.

Tazeell

Ha well that was pretty funny. It should be exciting to see the gress and these I presume carnivores they've kept secret.

Jay Scott Raymond

To both Melez and Kilo Rat: You're missing my point. I'm pointing out that there needs to be some serious sci-fi unobtanium or if you prefer handwavium tech involved to manage this hiding. It isn't just signals like radio. It's heat signatures of both spacecraft and a planetary civilization. Its the effect of the chemistry and processes of life on the atmosphere visible to spectrographic analysis. Some of these things are out there long before your planet's life even achieve's sapience, let alone realizes they might want to hide those signs or even beyond that, developes some means to do so. Bottom line: this hiding a spacefaring civilization thing? We're talking some serious applied phlebotinum here. If you want to better understand this, I suggest you head over to YouTube and find the "Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur" channel. Fair warning: binge watching may ensue.

Melez

My cats are destructive little terrors. And hardly domesticated. All they’re lacking is thumbs and sometimes that doesn’t stop them. Don’t get me wrong, I love them dearly

Melez

The Milky Way is something like 87,000 light years across, I’d think that’s enough time to go from your first radio waves to FTL… at least before anyone detects your earliest transmissions as anything more than background noise

Lunam

The SECOND Taylor went "Oh the monkey is smiling" I was all NO YOU FOOL And I was riiiiiiiiiiiiight~

pfreya

Yeah, my suspicion is that they moved the Jaslip to consortium space, maybe even uplifted them? Controversial decision because it was interfering with their natural growth and progression as a species, but considered imperative because of the fed’s genocidal tendencies

Yannis Morris

And apparently that’s not a human thing. It’s an ape thing to reassure apes with bared teeth and Obors are not apes.

Yannis Morris

@Space Paladin Gress just said they were *(narrows eyes in suspicion)*

Yannis Morris

@T___ I like this comment the most

RS

I for one like Taylor as a character. He has flaws, but he also has redeeming qualities. He volunteered to suffer very real consequences for attacking Gress, which shows a level of selflessness and remorse. He managed to turn attacking Gress into a positive outcome, which took some level of wisdom and courage. He seems loyal enough. I don't even blame the mine explosion entirely 100% on him - the equipment operator did not have the integrity to stand up to Taylor's pestering, just as Taylor did not have the integrity to stand up to the Mayor's pestering. The only one that didn't pay some price there is the Mayor. Taylor comes off as impulsive, juvenile, naive, and a bit dumb, but there's plenty of room for him to grow out of these traits in the adventures ahead. Without the meta knowledge that Taylor is the protagonist, I would not send Taylor in his current state to Avor for the formal introduction of humanity to the Consortium.

Conure King!

I could see the Consortium becoming incredibly militaristic after this if they aren’t already, so it could Defo be interesting.

Conure King!

I mean with a threat as drastic as the federation it might be necessary

gilean23

I mean, that’s the best possible outcome, IMO.

Alex

I think I can guess at the reasoning, given by theories on why we smile as a show of happiness: Same sort of situation as how fighting words can be words of endearment among friends. It went from aggression to standard greeting, To assign of happiness.

Wesley Rigg

I'm a fast reader and this took me a solid 15 minutes.

Wesley Rigg

As is tradition.

Sap

Called it! I could have seen it happening to any of the three because anyone who's inexperienced with primate behavior is likely to misinterpret the fear grimace as a happy smile. It's much more amusing that Taylor's the one who got monkeyed though.

Vladi Vladi

humans are THE most alien primate on earth. None of our cousins smile. They coo to signal happiness. We don't even know if Neanderthals or other Homo species smiled. I'm gonna guess the average Ark human is just uneducated in zoology because it serves no purpose without animals, otherwise, not knowing the little fact that no animal EVER bares their teeth as a form of happiness is a new low for Taylor

Danny Luca

Bri is right. We never domesticated cats. They domesticated themselves because they figured out they could use us for food.

T___

Primate speach is also not as cut and dry as some people write here. And there are differences between monkeys and apes. Dominant individuals also bare their teeth when they try to reassure others. In this way Taylor was right to smile and not expect an attack. "The human smile derives from the nervous grin found in other primates. - - nervously signaling non-hostility."(Primatologist and Professor of Primate Behavior Frans de Waal)

ToddTheSquid

Sorry, that's where I keep my skeletons.

ToddTheSquid

I love the implication that rent collectors aren't typically sapient lmao

ToddTheSquid

To be fair, he's traumatized by the feds and clearly has trust issues (the entire ark ship population is like this), and concussed at the moment, plus there is unironically a lot of psychological stuff going on with being under basically forced labor, effectively being kept inside, *underground*, for most of his life, and forced to hide who and what he is. Much like LGBTQ+ people of today, that seriously screws with your mental health and capacity. I genuinely believe that as things improve for him, he'll mellow out and become a far more likeable character.

EliasArt2Life

Well, things are looking better for the colony. I’m glad that Mayor Hathaway had the foresight to send Cherise with Taylor. Let’s hope she can cover for Taylor when he forgets himself and smiles (or makes another dumb mistake). Or maybe he can prove that he’s more capable when he’s rested and in a better state of mind. While I don’t like Taylor’s actions, I want people who say that they hate him to give him a little slack; keep in mind that he was something like 9 when he left Earth. That means that he lost about half of his childhood to aliens attacking his planet, has been forced to live in barely tolerable conditions for decades, and it sounds like he may not have even had any family to take care of him. Simply put, given the hand he was dealt in life, he could have turned out a lot worse. He’s not as bad as William Kane, but has far more reason to be. (No, William Kane is NOT my benchmark for a hatable character, I’m just using him as an example, since I know most of you share that experience of said character.) As for the Jaslips Decision… hmm… Gress said that the Consortium hadn’t increased their number since they came in contact with the Federation, so the Jaslips aren’t a species that was brought into the fold (unless they’re an exception, but I won’t account for exceptions in this prediction). Gress also phrased the decision as relating to hiding from the Federation. Finally, it was considered controversial, and he can tell it’ll make the Consortium look bad to the humans, and the Jaslips are still part of the Consortium. Did the Jaslips decide to try to contact the Federation; see if they had changed, and the rest of the Consortium forcefully occupied the Jaslips worlds in order to prevent that from happening?

Blake S

They might have just been conquered and forced into hiding, or underground, something along those lines. You would have to keep very close eye on a species to make sure no individuals through malice, or mistrust of the consortium tried to break quarantine as it were. Worst case scenario brutal dicatorship, maybe technological or biological regression to make them less likely to be spotted by the feds.

Blake S

It sounds like in consortium space everyone is a prisoner.

T___

What made the hair on my arms go up was the mayor having a tête-à-tête with Kress. He has been using Taylor all this time. Maybe he is telling Kress that if it seems difficult to negotiate, it is okay to feed Taylor to the wolfs, so to speak. Secret, shadowy government backroom deals are never good. He's sending too people out there and withholding crucial information, as he has in the past.

Tyler Ellis

Am I really excited to learn of the Consortiums other races? Yes! Am I extremely worried/paranoid about the fact that it’s TAYLOR of all people that is being sent to speak on Humanities behalf? Very!!!

T___

I think in those lines as well. Maybe they kept trying to contact friends and family in Federation Space, and they had to confine the species somehow. Perhaps under the watchful eye and tech, perhaps transporting the entire species far away and put some dampening field or something. Or underground.

Space Paladin

It’s a good thing if it feels that way!

Space Paladin

The Venlil will be mentioned shortly!

Space Paladin

Perhaps some will try later on. We do miss our pets dearly, and people think pet monkeys are cute. Problem is they’re destructive little terrors and not domesticated!

Kilo Rat

They must have been confident that humans couldn't contact the federation, so they had to have had a way to block signals from the refugees too

Kilo Rat

It's fun seeing humans being the ones suspicious at displays of kindness for a change. Usually it's aliens being suspicious of humans.

Jay Scott Raymond

I gotta wonder what sort of unobtanium tech they're using to hide from the Federation. Hiding a space faring civilization, or even just a technological one like us present day, is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible under any currently known physics. This is why our astrophysicists are fairly certain we are alone, at least in this galaxy.

The Moist Crusader

Is Gress forgetting that humans are ALIEN primates? Even though their primates seem to act similar to ours, he doesn't know that lol, it's on him that he assumed the body language of alien primates would be the same as theirs

Apogee

I suspect they took technology away from them so they wouldn’t make signals to be found by the feds which could have easily been violent or relocated the species to another world killing those they couldn’t take to make it seem like they wiped themselves out. Also the Mayor is more and more sus, he a villain, I can feel it Loved the obro! And man I understand Taylor’s character and why, but I don’t like the man that’s for sure. Well more room for character growth!

Apogee

That’s what I was thinking

Apogee

I suspect they took technology away from them so they wouldn’t make signals to be found by the feds which could have easily been violent or relocated the species to another world killing those they couldn’t take to make it seem like they wiped themselves out.

Yannis Morris

Well they have no issue with meat-eating

Yannis Morris

Most primates, while not being sapient, are still pretty smart, you know?

Willie

So the jaslips are most likely omnivores or predators themselves.... wonder what kind mammal reptile avian bug? Now that would be interesting I don't see the consortium being bad baring something we'll hidden... maybe it's the shield? Or the anti predators- I hope the arxur are doing well

Alekss Žukovskis

no, glassing with antimatter would emit energy particles that feds are searching for

Alekss Žukovskis

a necesary evil migth be... they federationed them

Edmund Lam

Taylor is an idiot. The monkey was just protecting his daddy.

Bri

Literally cats

Byron Ritchie

Tbh I don’t see any twist that the consortium are going to be evil, morally ambiguous? Yes maybe even the main antagonists? Probably But I doubt the consortium is going to be truly malicious like the federation was

BigSneppy

I hadn’t considered that, uh oh

OctupleThreat

That's also a distinct possibility. I think it probably will come back to some form of cultural genocide to prevent a total genocide.

Youre a swedekisser arent you

I'm getting a little concerned that the SC are gonna go scouting around the area, making the Consortium want to defend the Tellus humans, and well... war breaks out because neither side knows what it looks like from the other's perspective.

Dookus Maximus

Nah, he'll just harbor a grudge against an animal who doesn't know any better.

Rusty Deviant

“the obors weren’t easy to mellow out at all. They figured out they could use us for food, and their species was close to extinction” and “Juvre seeming to giggle as I was carried away. I stuck my tongue out at the obor, who scowled back at me with an ugly expression” have me worried a bit. This reads to me like they were forced into becoming pets in exchange for their species survival. They might’ve been another sentient species, once.

Joe bro

"...a necessary evil". [Stares with concern]

everything very

Best case scenario cherise has to do the speech instead

everything very

Or maybe overthrowing a government by force to make the species more discreet and not risk detection by the federation

everything very

we have done so many "nessary evils" and even more unnessary ones :/

Qwerty Smith

Kinda curious what would happen if a human raised an abor. Would it learn out cues in absence of its own kind or would nature take its course?

Dragon Writer Luc

That's about what I figured. It doesn't sound to me like they'd really do much at all with the humans here other than ask that they stick to already inhabited worlds in the region.

Amanda Chowning

That was my thought as well, that they forced some non-consensual gene mods, things like eyes and/or diet, in order to hide them from The Federation. They might have figured it was a necessary evil to protect both that race, and others allied with it, from being exterminated by The Federation if found. Along with them going so far to hide their existence (the no new planets, no new races, etc. mentioned in the last chapter- anything to keep what that race was previously a secret). They might not know The Federation gene modded races themselves, and just assumed they killed every predator on sight. They do seem to know The Feds burned predators, as it was mentioned in the previous chapter.

Elliott

My distaste for Taylor 'Stench' grows each chapter. Gress is just a lil guy who sees us as space puppies and Taylor is still way too stuck up his own ass and emotional to do basic diplomacy. We're gonna have Federation Summit 2.0 if they send him to represent humanity. At best they see us as stupid monkey people, at worst they see us as emotional ungrateful violent monkey people. Hopefully the binocular "puppy dog eyes" will save us.

Ella

Taylor's been promoted from having a feud with the sapient rent collector to having a feud with... his pet monkey. Very proud of him.

OctupleThreat

My bet is that they relocated as many as they could (possibly the entire species, or at least that was the plan) then glassed their home world to prevent the Federation having any trail back to Consortium space . So now the Jaslips live in diaspora among the other species of the Consortium

Elliott

To be fair humanity isn't really innocent even excluding stuff like Hiroshima/Nagasaki the Sapient Coalition literally locked a planet in a debris field, allied with space cannibals, and caused two near extinctions. I think we can forgive the Krev, whatever their transgressions were.

Anemoia

Hell yeah, monkey business.

PassengerNo

Now remember, Taylor has never been to a zoo. Taylor should read all vault info on Earth primates, as homework.

Alicja Pielichowska

Noooooo please no “necessary evil” Just when I thought that there were one sane alien species.

Kingarthur

Well given he's being all tight lipped about Jaslips my first thought is some kind of population control measure or enslavement. Maybe a bit harsh so they might have also forcefully regressed them tech wise to pre space faring.

XavHD

I bet the Konsortium gen edited them to have side facing eyes or something

Anthony Mears

Chris's evil pointing monkey 🐒

Anthony Mears

another Taylor "Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape"!

John Benjamin Cate

Looking forward to the complications arising! Like what the humans had to go through to pay off the debt as well as how people died in a desperate attempt to pay off the doubled amount. And I am also looking forward to seeing what these necessary evils could be. I do hope that some can actually be solved and healed.

Charles Michael Santos

Hopefully they'll be allies eith the consortium Wonder how awkward it would be if the consortium sent a fleet towards the Federation to take revenge for the humans on ark 3, only to find out that the humans are now one of the top species in that galaxy and that they yeeted the federation.

Paperclip

I'm sensing a lot of scary possibilities with the Jaslips and it's making me nervous. But it's just about penguin time, so we can worry about Naltor and Tassi's spa day instead. If they hang out together for the whole series, I might be inclined to call them a dynamic duo (I'm a Naltor superfan)

Anthony Mears

the venlil were somewhat accepting at the time they left. I'm surprised they weren't mentioned as an ally among the federation species. yeah, smiling monkeys will get you every time

John

Oh hey, what's in this closet you have over here?

Mutedmirth

there's always a catch with these aliens. We did what we thought was best brings way too many red flags. Looking forward to what that would be!

everything very

"just say first anyway"

Corporal Chunk

Well uhh.... Quite short eh?

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