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The Nature of Predators 181

🕑 Added 2023-12-25 12:00:16 +0000 UTC

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Xelav

I'm kinda sad that the NoP is coming to an end :(

Yannis Morris

@PhycoKrusk Wasn’t it more “Oh 30% of the people we’ve been at peace with for centuries were predators. Humans are alright”?

Namel909

See ! Told you so, a bit of ducktape and tomorow he will walk again. Now living on as a ghost rent free in a PTSD ridden veteran barly able to make it thru the day without the ones around him pushing and pulling him along. What a fine stach of perfectly vegan drugs he can use to try and silence his past but yet the next morning all his problems are back to stay. Good thing he is so mental that the quack freed him of service that he can live of off the pension with his group of missfits Hell maybe his predator addoption sone will become a galxi stock market billionair or make enough money to found the first non vegan Grey flourshop. sss

EliasArt2Life

@Some Lvm Well, he was in college, so that would place him at early adulthood.

print Path

And I love you too random citizen (If you know you know)

TheDudeAbides

" poor understanding of odd diseases. When talked to Vysith, even she knew what it was: as an Arxur from hundreds of years ago!" So even the pre-fed Arxur knew about prion diseases? Makes sense but it's still kinda funny.

CyberpunkGandalf

My guess: Sam will become a recurring character in NoP II. I think a bounty Hunter specializing in former Fed authorities and war criminals

pogman

I love you too

Amanda Chowning

Tyler’s dog really needs to get shipped to Leirn since he’s moving there, or I’ll be upset with these characters, lol. Leirn is canonically mentioned to allow dogs and cats. Heck it is likely the only herbivore homeworld that does right now. And Onso specifically mentioned wanting a dog similar to Tyler’s until he was able to get a Hensa of his own. We just need one sentence confirming they shipped Tyler’s dog over, it isn’t hard. And if it’s a permanent move, it would make sense, unlike temporary military deployment. Heck, they would have to be shipping dogs and cats over already for the Yotul anyways. PLEASE, I’m BEGGING you here, at least ONE sentence confirming the obvious. I’m just assuming they just didn’t bother mentioning it to Solvin, because it makes zero sense to leave the dog with Tyler’s father permanently. Like if they were moving to Skulga it would make sense to leave the dog behind. But Leirn already has dogs and cats, and the Yotul themselves keep them, not exclusively humans. And I really doubt if the Yotul are keeping them the human residents wouldn’t be. Of any planet besides earth, Leirn would be my first choice to live on. It’s the only planet besides Earth that even seems appealing to me. Canonically they allow dogs and got rid of their exterminators. The Yotul are also possibly the only race even more human friendly than the Venlil, seeming the least brainwashed of the herbivores. Space Paladin made a species and planet I really fell in love with, lol.

Amanda Chowning

Ok, there’s now THREE character one-off’s I want to see. 1. The Mallin one we already know we’re getting. 2. Vysith’s pre-archives. I mentioned in the last week or so in another comment that Space Paladin clearly had an idea there and we never got to see it… And as of this chapter… 3. A Sam follow-up. We got a pretty conclusive ending for Solvin and his three roommates. But I feel that Sam’s journey hasn’t ended yet, and her path forward is less clear. It’s implied she’s going to stay in contact, but I’d like to see how she goes forward from here.

Quenten

Absolute banger. Merry Christmas!

Tazeell

Quite the odd little family unit, love the little band though they certainly haven't gotten written much.

Mr. Walker

EGGS!!

Conure King!

I think most bars would look the other way for serving hunter under the table lmao. It would probably take a glare from the aforementioned Arxur however.

Some Lvm

How old is Hunter again? Not sure they will let him in to a bar in the US on the "But I was frozen for 160 years" claim... (Many other countries actually have their drinking age at 18)

DemonVee

I would love to see a story with some significant time skips. Seeing how Aucel stance towards Vysith changes over time

Apogee

True very true

Some Lvm

> If I heard about an Arxur, a Kolshian, and a 1970s human living together, I’d have thought it was a joke. Joke? No joke! We can haz bonus story plizz? Pretty plizz? Ok, seriously though - I have to know how Aucel reacted to first meeting Vysith and what it took to get those two to get along! Who is with me? Also, did Hunter ever show Vysith the Gorn episode for TOS?

Tyler Ellis

I know he betrayed Tarva but I really am in need of a glim healing arch.

Gumcel

I do hope we at least get a reference to sovlin in nop 2, even if he’s not prominent or even a pov character.

Jacob Garcia

Probably not, but I think it would be the biggest F you to the Federation that he could make.

Gumcel

It’s a caste that people are born into. So there would be people with menial and average jobs because you need people like that to maintain cities obviously. Also there’s no way they would let them leave the underground lol.

Apogee

Well said

PhycoKrusk

That's because most people who write it into movies don't actually think about it or try to take it in any larger context. It's a religious thing that speaks about "comfort for mourners," so they put it in to try to make the script more relatable of they're trying to connect with the audience (some Hollywood writers), or to show the disconnection between religion and the proletariat, if they think the audience is stupid and they have to explain everything for them (most Hollywood writers).

PhycoKrusk

@Yannis And that was after months of constant, personal contact with Humans. Any Venlil could have changed their mind under the same circumstances. Several did, even; we have Callsi as an excellent example.

PhycoKrusk

It's been kind of common, I think, to associate Vysith's behavior around Hunter (what little we've seen) with how a mother might keep her son in line, but after this chapter, yes, I can absolutely see Vysith as the eldest sister in this band. It actually makes more sense, and even works better for the dynamic. After all, Sovlin never really seemed to think much about being a husband, but he's thought an awful lot about being a father. He'd practically adopted Recel (which, looking back, is probably why he'd had his initial crisis anyway, struggling to understand how he could've driven his son away), so it would naturally follow that he'd do the same to anyone else physically and mentally younger than him that was in need of guidance. Wouldn't that be a helluvan interview? "I really did think of him as my own son. I think that's why I surrendered to the UN in the first place. He saw what was in front of him almost immediately as wrong and hardly hesitated at all to help Humanity, even though he'd been trained to effectively do the opposite. You see your son do something like that, and you have to wonder what you did to make him act like that, and then you start to wonder if maybe he didn't have the right idea. I owe a lot to Humanity, but I owe everything to Recel."

richfiles

I'm sure she don't savor poopin' though. In = savor Out = privacy Sovlin and Aucel will get used to it over time. Exposure therapy will fix that... For the in part, not the out.

Conure King!

“An Arxur, a Kolshian, and a human walk into a bar…”

Space Paladin

The war had been ongoing for centuries

Space Paladin

You’ll probably spot some new things, especially in terms of irony and foreshadowing, on the reread!

Space Paladin

Merry Christmas!

Space Paladin

Thank you for taking the time to catch up! I hope you enjoy the end, and the NoP adventures to come

Yannis Morris

@PhycoKrusk When the UN informed Tarva about the Arxur’s side of the story, she was already in the mindset of “Humans are proof that Predators are not inherently cruel and evil simply from being predators. Arxur are like that either because it’s an Arxur thing, or because something happened”. Hearing the Arxur’s side of the story just led her to decide “Something happened” and then after Meir’s dying wish and Isif’s empathy test she decided that the Arxur on a species level weren’t beyond saving

Thank you very much SpacePaladin 🙌

Space Paladin

It’s hard to let go…but it’s time to say goodbye

pogman

try thru reddit

pogman

I did tear up

Space Paladin

Merry Christmas!

pogman

She's like a child to him if you're talking about Vithys

Space Paladin

https://discord.gg/pascap — integrate discord to your Patreon to be able to access the lounge!

DemonVee

You'll see it if you click into SPs channel and than click on membership. If you scroll down it's right over quick links.

DemonVee

There is an invite somewhere on SPs patreon

DemonVee

Glim... Future leader of the Venlil First movement.

DemonVee

From the sound of it, probably not... Vyisth appears to be closer in age to Hunter and Aucel. Sovlin is just starting a mini orphanage.

Dookus Maximus

I love you all and your silly good natured bickering

Dookus Maximus

A very satisfying end to his arc

Dookus Maximus

They may not be set up for chewing

Dookus Maximus

Perhaps it is not what he wished?

Thrownawaz

Wait, does this mean Sovith is canon?

Edmund Lam

I think Glim is even more broken than Sovlin, and is very far from healing.

Joe bro

Well for starters, happy holidays! Secondly, good wrap-up. Thirdly, if I'm being honest, I'm betting that the final chapter is gonna be Kalsim finally being visited and shown first-hand what the galaxy has become for the better; only then realizing what he was to lost in the sauce to see. But that's just me.

TheBlack2007

Also, Isif's tenderness around Nulia might have given her a push in the right direction.

PhycoKrusk

No, but it does have a lot to do with Sovlin, if you look back over the track of his life after Cilany broke the conspiracy. I kind of feel like the, I assume, priest was intending that bit for Sovlin specifically; sometimes, they just know.

PhycoKrusk

"Well, I met them both at the same time, one thing led to another, and here I am!" "That doesn't tell me anything." "Oh, well, that sounds like a personal problem, I don't know if I can help you with that."

PhycoKrusk

I don't. I don't think he's going to remain a strict vegan once he discovers cheese, but I don't think he's going to throw a fit about it anymore either; just be quietly vegetarian (like Marcel). Especially once he discovers the wide world of Indian food.

Apogee

Wonderful chapter! I especially liked the flower discussion and the symbolism therein. Solivin has come a long way! And because I feel like it, I will explain that one Bible passage that got mentioned: In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ did not say that happiness depends on good health, material possessions, and the like. He pronounced truly happy those “conscious of their spiritual need” and those “hungering and thirsting for righteousness.” Related to these two factors needed for true happiness is Jesus’ seemingly paradoxical statement: “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.” (Matthew 5:3-6) Jesus was not saying that people would automatically be happy when they lost a loved one. Rather, he was speaking of those who bemoan their sinful state and its consequences. These godly mourners “will be comforted.” (Compare Luke 2:25.) Among the comforts forthcoming through Jesus Christ are forgiveness of sins and everlasting life. Really that passage has nothing to do with funerals

PhycoKrusk

Tarva also only recognized Humans as being an exception for a good while. The only reason she came around so quickly was a combination of constant exposure and spite; she may not have recognized it, but she knew what she was seeing, and being told not to believe her lying eyes "impugned her sacred honor." If you look back over the text (which I don't expect you to do because it's a lot), you'll see that every time someone challenges her, she pushes back against them, and as we get later in the story (and she goes longer and longer without getting her programming refreshed), she becomes more and more forceful about it. Everyone else we see come around didn't require constant programming to remain docile (except Slanek, who was getting his programming constantly refreshed even if no one realized it), and in the case of Sovlin, his demeanor was almost the same as Tarva's, but since he was being constantly challenged in the opposite direction, it took him comparatively longer to reach the same conclusion.

PhycoKrusk

It's a city, not a civilization. It was a secured and fortified place so that the administrators could work uninterrupted. I will accept your argument about children, but any adults down there were down there specifically to support and continue the conspiracy.

Yannis Morris

Oh my gosh, guys. Glim pov for the final chapter

EliasArt2Life

This was a good conclusion to Sovlin’s story! He gets to start a new life with his found family. I’m sad to see NOP1 ending, but stories are better with an ending, anyway. Besides, and ending is often just a form of beginning. Merry Christmas everyone (at least, that’s what time it is when I’m writing this).

PhycoKrusk

Ah, but he didn't call him "dad"; he called him "Dad." Looks basically the same, I know, but it's clearly a nickname calling back to when Sovlin asked if he could "mentally adopt" Hunter and he sarcastically (but lovingly) called him "dad." It'd be like you referring to an older gentleman who isn't related to you but kind of falls into that same role as "Pops."

PhycoKrusk

@Vee Given that the Farsul States are/were a gerontocracy, that tracks, since such a form of government can only persist on the belief that the eldest on society always knows best, which is obvious hogwash; the eldest know what worked best previously, and true progress can only come when they work with the younger to synergize old knowledge with new discoveries.

Cera Treascair

Wonderful present to all of us! Also, this was so sweet~

PhycoKrusk

I mean, he did it in a prior chapter, but there it was definitely joking and not really serious. This feels serious, and it makes me happy.

PhycoKrusk

Thinking it's easy to get a gun in America just points to you never having tried to get a gun in America, and that's fine; lots of people haven't tried. As to the Second itself, what is a "militia"? The framers of the Constitution understood a "militia" to be an armed fighting force composed specifically of citizens and not soldiers, and understood the members of "the militia" to be every able-bodied man of fighting age, and we know this from their personal and professional correspondence. (What "fighting age" means is a little less certain, but to the practices of the day, if you were old enough to manage property, you were likely "fighting age") The "modern interpretation" is, in fact, what appears to be your interpretation, and that's fine; unless you dig into the history of it, you might not come to a different understanding, and the fact is that most people have incomplete or incorrect understandings of many things because they don't need to know the correct ones in their day-to-day life. I agree with you that a person ought to be proficient with their armaments, but any government-mandated "proficiency" is just another flavor of literacy test, and will be used in the exact same way for the exact same reason.

Byron Ritchie

What a nice Christmas present for all of us! And glad to see sovlin getting over his prejudices

How do I get onto the discord?

Blake S

I think Aucel getting used to a human named hunter and a 7 foot vsyth with no pov has to be the most yah dah yah dah'ed plot development of the entire series. This isnt a complain tho as its a excelent preamble for that sovlin family sitcom styled bonus chapter everyone wants.

Tyler Ellis

The 2nd Amendment is the most libertarian thing America has ever conceived. And it’s not a law it’s an amendment. It was conceived to allow the people to have a voice and stand up against tyranny. It’s the most anti fascist concept I can think of. And I’m not trying to turn this into a debate I just want to say can we please stop slinging that word, fascist, around, it pretty much lost all meaning and credibility now days. The modern definition of it should be “literally anything I don’t like or disagree with.”

ColdBlooded Network

Merry christmas. Thank you for the chapter.

Ella

It's hard to believe that we're almost at the end. I feel like I could read about these characters forever, but at the same time, I'm glad we're getting a clean ending. Sovlin's had quite a rough journey and he deserves to settle down with his adoptive family.

Tyler Ellis

To be fair the Feds held this belief long before the contacted the Arxur. Not just sapient predators but animals too. To them humanity was nothing more than an intelligent animal with complex emotions. So it wasn’t really about “oh the Arxur are evil so humans must be too” it was “predators, sapient or not, have all been predators since the beginning of time itself and must die”.

BiasMushroom721

Sov-I'llFuckinAdoptEveryone-lin

Paul

*laughter

DemonVee

I wish there was more of them too, though I believe we saw the moment where Sovlin asked Hunter to call him dad before the chapter we met Vysith

DemonVee

They've been using computer models to do their research for who knows how long. Something that could easily be misused when you're too arrogant to realized that your shiny toy can only work if you have the full under of physics/chemistry/biology... etc. Constantly expecting new results from the same data you used over and over again. I guess over reliance on technology and rear religious adherence to their dogma could have ironically stifled their progress.

Intricate Zebra

I'm seeing it already: 20 years down the line, Old Man Sovlin will be making a cameo in the sequel series as a background character at a restaurant ordering a 12oz New Yorker Medium-Rare while the two new story characters are talking about whatever astropolitical nonsense is happening over a meal.

DemonVee

It's only set 20 years into the future no? I can't imagine Sovlin is that old if he can still fight.

DemonVee

If you want to associate the 2nd amendment with any ideology (Or at least the modern interpretation as Bollinger mentioned) the worst you'll get is it being anarchist. How can the right to bear your own arms be interpreted as fascistic (An ideology that's a poster boy for authoritarianism which strips autonomy from the people and grants it to the ruling government) when having the ability to own weapons goes against the absolute authority and control such states strive for?

Merry Christmas everyone! Thank you spacepaladin for writing such an amazing story

Yannis Morris

@Mr. Walker The crippling belief that no one else knew anything worth knowing.

Delta

Ah deary me. I had fallen so far behind in this series, but now I have caught up, having binged it in the last few days. This was a really wonderful story, thank you so much for dedicating so much time and energy to this project.

Yannis Morris

The worst part about considering humans an exception to the rule about Predators being evil is that it isn’t even a rule. At worst, they had a sample size of one that they used to justify so much horrible bull crap. Every time the Feds’d hear “Predator” they’d think of the Dominion’s evil. And in truth, the Arxur weren’t even the only “predator”. They were just the only one unable to digest plants. Literally… It annoys me so much because this wasn’t even a rule at the most generous of times. Tarva was able to recognize that this wasn’t the natural state of predators after meeting humans. Bless Tarva but I wish that wasn’t a unique point of view.

Mr. Walker

Merry Christmas Space Paladin! Merry Christmas fellow fans!!

craig spaulding

“an Arxur, a Kolshian, and a 1970s human living together” I can’t be the only one who read this and imagined a sitcom.

Mr. Walker

Hunter: "Ok, the mice are gone, but none of the traps have been sprung!"_ Aucel: "Well, what could have happened to them?" _ Vysith: "Hey, we are all out of those speedy little snacks that were in the crawlspace."

Mr. Walker

Shadow Caste and Shadow Caste fun-sized!

Cooldude101011

Since Carlos was military I expected a military funeral with a gun salute.

Cartoon dinosaur

The shadow caste was a large population. Meaning many of them were probably just something like farmers. Not involved in the atrocity. Also they probably had children. Where those children also given to the duterian? Space paladin? I am asking you this question.

PiñaPiloto

The end in nigh! This is a good story, once it's over I'm gonna reread it all back to back for the full experience.

Wesley Rigg

You are wise.

Mr. Walker

I am not touching this discussion.

Mr. Walker

Old Sovlin: "Back in my day, everyone was allergic to meat and we set wild animals on fire!"

Mr. Walker

Between this and B12, I am convinced that the Farsul don't know how to do research.

Mr. Walker

Maybe the "Dad" development happened offscreen?

Paul

I strongly request a bonus of Sovlin's living situation in the style of a sitcom.

Mr. Walker

I want a sitcom about these four weirdos sharing an apartment. Also: "“It takes me all of about two seconds to devour those tiny human cuts. Do I need to isolate myself for basic survival functions . . ." Well, I assume you poop in private. Also, learn to savor your food!

E G

Very nice to see Sovlin find some peace in the end. He was always one of my favorites.

Wingit98

I worry about what hate crimes this group may face in the future from the HF type folks. One of them very publicly tortured a human the second he saw one, one very recognizably comes from a race we all know eats children and massacres worlds, and one is from the race that masterminded the whole anti-predatory conspiracy that threw the whole galaxy into this mess to begin with. I can easily see any one of them being accosted on the street or followed home. And the only human on earth to vouch for them is one from over 150 years ago who is baffled by the modern world. Really makes me wish Tyler came back with them to help them learn to navigate earth on their own more. Also.... Hunter calling Sovlin "dad" feels really premature. I feel like we've had far too little of them together to have earned that yet.

David Bollinger

Actually, the 2nd amendment is specifically about the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated militia. I mean, I'll agree that it isn't fascist, but the modern interpretation of arming yourself to overthrow oppressors has nothing to do with the original intent of the amendment. It was about military people being able to have personal firearms so they could quickly respond to threats. So, unless you're a member of something like the national guard, or the local police, or a military reserve unit or something, the idea that the second amendment should apply to you is nonsense, because you aren't a part of an organized militia. Personally, I'd like to see the supreme court overrule the modern interpretation of the second amendment, and insist that anyone who wants to own personal firearms either be a member of some sort of organized militia where you are given a background check and proper firearm safety training before you are allowed to own guns, or be licensed as a hunter which also requires a background check and firearm safety training. I think it's much too easy to own a gun here in America.

Joe King

Merry Christmas, Happy new years, here's to good drink, good times and a good read!

Wesley Rigg

Holy shit that's awesome.

Wingit98

I really don't wanna get into a political debate here or anything, but.... Fascist? To allow you as a private citizen to own your own weapon? It seems far too libertarian to be anything approaching fascistic.

PassengerNo

So we have proof the ancient Axrur did know about prions. @SpacePaladin How many years as the Federation been at war with the Axrur? I've forgotten the number.

print Path

So I should change it back to first?

ToddTheSquid

All three of you commented at the exact same second. I think you're in a three-way tie for first.

Space dust

This is truly beautiful, an amazing way to send off a intricate character, also with vysith possibly joining the UN peace keepers could we see her in a position of power say a commander or general in NOP2 ?

Youre a swedekisser arent you

Aucel reacted better to Vysith than expected, not that I'm complaining. I imagine we may perhaps see Sovlin's adopted family in the sequel, showing us what they've accomplished (though the hedgehog himself will probably be dead or close to it by then).

Paperclip

Yeah, we're gonna need a follow up on these guys. I want to see how they bond over their much-needed peacetime. This finale was really beautiful and I'm already missing the space hedgehog. Also, Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!

Wesley Rigg

It's weird. When checking on the mobile app print path is first. When checking on PC with a browser I'm first.

Wesley Rigg

Fascism is the oppression of the people. 2A is designed to prevent the people from being oppressed by giving them the power to kill the oppressor. 2A is anti fascist.

Merry Christmas! Great ending for Sovlin’s arc, having Hunter calling him dad was amazing

dmg

Smh that that pseudo-fascist law is still a thing 100+ years into the future

pogman

Nah you're first

Wesley Rigg

2ND amendment is still around soft confirmed. HELL YEA!

print Path

Ah man

Wesley Rigg

me

Wesley Rigg

check again lol

print Path

Crap idk who First

Wesley Rigg

Tied for first with pogman and print path!

print Path

Apparently me and wesley were first at the same time (Happy Arxur face)

pogman

new SpacePaladin content yay!


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