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Bonfireside Chat 143: Owl Stuff

🕑 Added 2019-08-25 17:12:30 +0000 UTC

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Jessie joy

I quite literally just ran wide circles around owl 2 to beat him. And jumped over his bird when attacked

Jessie joy

Following the code isn’t what turned him shura, killing Emma is what did. Turning shura slowly multiplied by killing someone you care about.

Ashby Shifflett

When he gives kuro the dragon tears and then kills him they are severing all immorality not just the dragons heritage. The divine child and the centipedes and the red eyes all immorality.

Nick Hunter

I mean you don't need to run from anyone in this game. I find myself chasing him down more than running away lol

William

Bit of a late comment here, but if anyone wants to see someone luck their way through a super tough Sekiro boss, Dan Floyd (PlayFrame) beat Sword Saint Isshin on his first or second try (on the finale of his blind Sekiro let's play).

Screwball Johnson

Owl 2.0 is the fight I hated the most simply because it required a hit and run playstyle that was different from the rest of the game and wasn’t in muscle memory. He felt more like fighting Midir or Nameless King in a game where you can’t do much to increase your damage. After beating him though the rest of the game felt easier. Even Sword Saint wasn’t as big of a pain as Owl for me.

Sid Menon

You raise a fair point. SIX huge guys.

Duckfeed.tv

It's not great content outside of the fights, which really work for some.

Ian Derk

I was worried I’d be lost in this episode because I didn’t play these parts. I could follow the points and narrative you have just fine. Made me feel like I didn’t miss anything I would have liked.

Eli Leslie

Hmmm, interesting. Not the read I got. I feel like some sequel/dlc following up on the Dragon’s Return ending would clear things up a lot.

jmh, Witch bird

Good point! Emma would die because you have to be immortal to draw it (or was that only to take it out of the temple?) but either way you are right because Wolf could just do it himself after kuro.

Duckfeed.tv

Well, surely you haven't tried (Insert 3 paragraphs of strategy using esoteric combat art mixed with specific tool upgrade)

Duckfeed.tv

This is a cool idea.

Duckfeed.tv

They could still kill them both with the sword that severs immortality though! Like, why would Sekiro be immortal despite Kuro being gone, if killed with the sword that severs immortality? Just have Emma do them both. I think Kole had the right of it, in that there are just different types of immortality that work with different methods of elimination, and that sort of feels sloppy to me. -GB

Duckfeed.tv

I didn't see the ending as getting rid of the concept of immortality in general, given that there are a bunch of different types. It's basically just killing Kuro so he can't share the specific immortality of the dragon blood. There's still centipedes about.

Steven E Southall

My interpretation of the second Hirata was that it took place after the first. The fire has burned down the building next to the well shrine, for example. Owl's confusion I read as being because he just killed you. This leads to more problems, since Jouzo should be dead, but it explains why Lady Butterfly and Kuro are gone.

Sid Menon

They probably could've prevented Wolf's massacre as Shura if they just brought in like, three huge guys who all attacked simultaneously. There's no counter for that.

Dr. Teatime

This may be because I didn't spend much time with the Isshin fight but I read his fire powers as literally fanning the flames with the speed and power of his sword strikes. I also assumed that the fire was a symptom of you turning Shura and Isshin, having dealt with Shura before, knew how to use this against you. Looking back, I'm not sure how much of that really follows but at the time it seemed like a neat allusion to what went down between Isshin and Orangutang.

Cale Barber

I really struggled with lone shadow lasagna until I realized you can interrupt his dog summoning whistle with a shuriken. Other than that just be insanely aggressive, I pretty much only stopped attacking to deflect. Obviously it’s harder in practice but hopefully this helps someone. Great episode as usual and I can’t wait for more.

David

I wish Issin's fire whooshes would have been a tool instead of "magic" getting Issin's firebombs as a reward after that fight instead of the combat art i'll never use would have been cool and a big firestorm seems thematically appropriate as a reward for the Shura ending.

sleepysmiles

Owldad round 2 might be my favorite boss fight in a 3D action game! and is where i realized that i love the boss fights in Sekiro so much more than the tough bosses in Dark Souls (especially 3). For me there was such a tangible push and pull between dealing with Owl’s tricks and proactively baiting him into moves i could punish, whereas even a very good Hard Souls Fight like C. Gundyr or Artorias feels like reacting and punishing all the way down. Posture, and the way it allows you to predictably push the boss into an AI pattern thru the regular volley of attacking/deflecting, was a really spicy addition to the Souls-derived combat system for me. I say all that with the caveat that im more into the “wireframe” of these boss fights than y’all are All that said, Owldad 2 was also where i realized this is a game that’s *all* about those boss fights, and anything that’s not those boss fights is pretty slight. (The Shura ending is just an excuse to fight Emma and Old Isshin, let’s be real — it’s def a narratively unsatisfying way for Sekiro’s story to end) As much as i love the game, i kinda hope it represents From getting their super perfect technical boss fight drive outta their system.

jmh, Witch bird

I think that the reason Wolf can’t just kill Kuro is because they need to sever the bond between him and Wolf first. Wolf would still be around and immortal, this ritual breaks the link between them, and then killing kuro prevents others from doing it without Wolf having to die.

Eli Leslie

Re- Why not just kill Kuro with the mortal blade, would that not fail to accomplish the goal of severing immortality as a whole? Like Lord Takeru is gone but whatever happened to him immortality is still around. You could cut Kuro’s head off and immortality wouldn’t be affected