Bossing Around
🕑 Added 2023-12-09 15:30:29 +0000 UTCHello all! What a fun show! I really liked those two young bucks on the guitars! Karly really had a great, fun energy... not that Jake didn't, but he kinda hung back, which I respect. Ellie was so funny and fun in the corner... Rachel was hilarious, but I was also so happy how just jumped all in with "No Christmas" - watching back she seemed to really be enjoying the whole thing. Look out for this one, if you haven't seen her work yet... well, you will! We sure missed Doug though. If he was there, I bet we'd have a totally rad House Music beat under that tune.
I saw a couple of snarky comments that I was being overbearing in the Christmas Songwriting...


I know, who gives a shit about a few random youtube comments...
I guess you'd have to ask the other people in the room, but I was just trying to keep the thing moving, knowing we were on the clock and SOMEONE had to run the thing... And of course, the whole thing was heightened by knowing we were on air and PERFORMING. It's a good topic though...
I admit, I do get excited when I have an idea and I kinda know it's the right way to go... I always try my best to be open to being wrong and sometimes I just don't care enough or don't have the energy to argue for or against something - I learned a long time ago with Eric, that you gotta have room to disagree and also lose arguments sometimes - We always said whoever cares more about the thing they're arguing for (or against) that side can have it. I'll say was a rare thing for us to even be in that position -but I'm sure it happened on a micro level all the time... Thousands of little decisions are being made - someone saying "OK" or "Nah"... It's the bargain you make with collaboration, and I think the positives vastly outweigh the negatives.
I think a good book would be The Beatles Guide To Life - it would use the lessons of The Beatles' history - both good and bad - I always think of them in creative situations - And often see myself as Paul* - He would be the one to ring up the lads and say, it's time to record - or run the session and at times become overbearing and dictatorial in how he felt the song should go - The benefit was the other guys had a steady genius at the helm pretty much guaranteeing them great output. But it must not have FELT good all the time, to be the other three. And Paul, I'm sure felt the burden of responsibility and was normal enough to recognize his own flaws and the guilt they most likely generated. Only psychopaths behave poorly and don't see their actions as hurtful. I think about Paul to try and avoid acting that way. (Key word there: try. )
(It's funny when I'm acting on someone else's thing, I really enjoy just submitting to their ideas and going with it *unless they really blow, but I try not to get myself in those situations! )
I'll keep all this in mind today as I'm heading to the On Cinema set! There's a creative dynamic that's seemed healthy for about 10 years now. And we've not always agreed on things, and sometimes MAJOR things, as the show gets more and more complicated it naturally gets more and more complicated too: make it all make some sort of sense, stay true to the reality of the show and BE FUNNY. We all have strong opinions, and the history of quality to back them up... and a few times you have to really bring the goods to defend your position - "Here's why I think we should do this..." And you can argue or debate theoretically until the cows come home but we're working with limited time, very little money, and looming deadlines... so at the end of one of those moments, often I have to just say... how about we just do this, so we can move on to the next problem to solve. And it's usually not exactly what anyone one of us had in mind, and it's probably better than where we started out.
We all can grow and we all can learn.
Peace and Love, T
*PLEASE NOTE BEFORE WRITING YOU JOKES - I am not equating myself to Paul in any kind of talent/creativity sense - merely in how group dynamics work, you son of a bitch! (but if you must, go at it)
Comments
Jamie Babs
Gotta bring On Cinema back to the simple basic reason we all started enjoying it. We don’t need all the bells and whistles, big sets and extras characters. I still rewatch the old episodes all the time on Channel 5 on the adult swim app when they come on.
Todd Sample
Haters gonna hate, Tim. You all were great and the song is lovely. Well done!
Des Garvey
Mo mo mo songwriting craic please.
Ash
Still in my head. Every morning. During the day. Catchy tune.
Dark Field
I think you should immediately do another songwriting session live to test if it was just a coincidence, which I'm inclined to believe because it was awesome to watch the song come together, or whether people are actually dim enough to be bored by such unique and delightful content.
Matt James
How can you dislike someone who essentially helped make the show what it is and has just as much passion as anyone else? What a dumb take. Whats with all this fucking complaining? Its so god damned(JP voice) annoying.
Matt James
I've been in similar positions where there needed to be someone to direct the band (even just as friends hanging out like this), or in artistic collaboration where there needs to be some sort of decision making. You never want to be overruled, but in the end those decisions need to be made or you end up with ... a MESS! These are clearly just dead-heads complaining. Also as others have said fuck the attention on negative commentary.
Stu Walker
Thanks for the insight Matt
Chalameybe
It's a great song and yall were fucking cooking. 🖖 Merry Xmas
cosmonot47
It seems like there’s been so much attention on negative commentary lately;that’s what’s becoming insufferable.
Calvin
Hope Tim wasn’t losing sleep over this one. I saw a few seemingly IG make up posts to the young musician couple. My guess is that they had a good time and will probably remember it as an interesting goofy process to be involved with. Yes creative mania can appear over bearing and Tim might benefit from recognizing it in the moment and then leaning in to the comedic potential of this very human aspect of creativity instead of just appearing as an utter douche. Ha sorry man just kidding on that last bit you were fine and it was a very brave concept to take on!
mark lagana
i shouldn't say all the hooks, vics chord progression ideas were savant like, everyone contributed i'm sure hooks were well spread I wasn't paying 100% attention tbh working on stuff and watching the podcast is my jam
mark lagana
jeez it was a chill episode, i loved it, especially tims eureka moments which delivered all the hooks, kept it moving along all whilst being funny/entertaining... just writing music with ppl is fucking hard enough without trying to direct a podcast...
Jack Wormuth
I’m not sure how or why anyone watching that would think anything about that experience was negative. It seemed like everyone had a great time and got to chime in and the end result was a banger! Very fun to watch and would love to see Eliana, Karly, Jake, and Rachel back again someday! Top tier guests!
Kate Marshall
Completely agree! We LOVE the song writing episodes and definitely want to see more of them!
Robin Powers
loved the episode. love this recap. I'm down for the process!!! <3
Jordan zielke
Thank you for sharing Tim I appreciate the work you do!
Evan
"Only psychopaths behave poorly and don't see their actions as hurtful." Amen to that
mrhargro
Echo it was cool that Rachel got in there and it worked.
mrhargro
It's your fucking show. Also I was bored for a bit and then there was a part where it came around and you guys fucked up the lyrics and you all cursed. That made me laugh. Was singing it all day...
Alex Govan
Can't wait to hear a bridge about Calendars! (more music/writing sessions please!)
Mike Lisa
it was one of the best aspects of that segment. pure inspiration... whoever was watching and taking things a little too seriously doesnt deserve this well thought out post about their comment!!!!!!
Kevin S.
“I’m like Dylan”
hagclaims8
I also noted how joyful Rachel was being a part of a spontaneous creative process. It was heartening to see — the whole thing reminded be on a macro sense how vital collaboration is for joy, purpose and happiness.
Thomas Wilson
Tim, you're a songwriter, That's how we do it. You look like a blast to work with as a musician myself. Love ya xx
Andrew C.
Please make a full single version of No Christmas! Also, Tim, thank you for being so thoughtful and open. You're a genius and a hell of a guy. Happy New Years!
Louis Inglis
The song turned out real catchy! There were a few things you pushed for because you had an idea but you also didn’t try and get everything your way. I preferred the direction you were originally going with the mall line but you let it go when the others had a different idea. As long as things are keeping moving and no one’s getting too hung up on individual decisions I think that’s probably a healthy dynamic!
Nick
The song is still stuck in my head, Tim. Peace and Love.
Theodore Atwood
You weren’t overbearing just a good show leader, thank you Tim
Stoney
Watching the song get made has me hoping for a Slaps Bops and Bangers 2 in Q1 of 2024 :-)
Bryan Hamill
I don’t think Tim seemed overbearing at all, rather he was just keeping things focused
Will Ochs
Break a leg this weekend! Even if it is Mark Proksch's leg you have to break.
David Edwards
Sufferable.
John Galantini
Well I don’t wanna bring a downer on the thing, but it’s probably not a great time to be singing phrases like “No Hanukkah”, there’s already a lot of that in the world right now am I right!!!? 😅 had it stuck in my head all weekend in all fairness. Tim was holding it all together, of course you’ve gotta lead and make decisions on behalf of the group. Bam bam bam. That’s how it’s done.
Dan
I’ve had that Christmas song stuck in my head all damn day!
Di Drew
Add 2: Had a quick google to find the guy's name - Jack Conte - and discovered he's also the co-founder of Patreon?! No shade to him I'm sorry 🙏. I think what people are missing here is the most important collaboration of all: A marriage! We hear a bit more about your kids than your wife on the show, Tim, but as a little pleb from Australia, seeing any "Hollywood" guy maintain a relationship over a number of years & be so loving with his kids speaks volumes. Especially if you're touring a lot. What are these bozo commenters' contributions to the world & why do we care what they say! Probably haven't collaborated with anyone outside of being forced to at school. Anyways, I reckon OHL is the most high value broad/podcast out there & y'all are doing truly phenomenal work. Peace & love
Di Drew
Add: If you want to see a REAL bossy band leader, go watch any sessions with Pomplamoose (who Ellie has done session work with) He is a task-master, suuuper uncomfortable to watch.
Di Drew
All hail the Captain!
Di Drew
I just saw a regular songwriting session to be honest. I think your career and long time collaborators speaks for itself about how you are to work with. Collaborating can be uncomfortable to watch, but the vibe in the room was a lot less tense than the Get Back footage!
Kyle
I think you mean Phil is Bozo
Kyle
I just assumed that there was an established rapport with two of the members of the very good band present, so that dynamic just made sense. Everybody's got ideas but someone has to corral them into something sometimes.
Nordista Freeze
We find you sufferable! Or what ever the opposite of insufferable is. You inspire us!
🖤Cassie🖤
Wondering if you’ve read the lyrics book by Paul McCartney. I’m thinking about giving it a read. Also just recently watched you and Eric doing commentary on old Tim and Eric episodes. You do one where you try to imitate the Beatles and it sounds all the same. So funny. But I think you do a good Paul and John on office hours.
JE
Congrats on the Shohei signing, Tim!
colindpratt
really appreciate you sharing this insight ☮️💟
JeffreyJack
It’s wonderful how you look right at conflict and approach it with openness and curiosity.
Bradford Beidler
the world is chock full o’ nuts. keep on trucking dude
Larry's Cactus Farm
Every year around the holidays I’ve been rewatching Get Back, so it was a real pleasure to see the OHL gang doing their rendition. All the best, peace and love.
JE
dude's doing his job as the producer...
Jeff Oakley
Rachel and Ellie had some amazing conceptual/thematic ideas that were, sadly, probably too big for the allotted time. I thought it was really interesting being able to hear brilliant people tossing ideas around, and equally interesting the way you kept things on track and streamlined to get the job done. There are precious few “cool” Christmas songs and you guys managed to create one that is an instantly essential addition to the seasonal playlist.
Sherri Locker
P.s. please someone remind Tim to talk about the M ShamWow movie he mentioned Knock at the Cabin, I absolutely thought it was the dumbest movie premise ever, but maybe there were a lot of biblical references and themes that Tim enjoyed more than me.
Sherri Locker
That song really stuck in my head for an entire day.
Graham Bishop
adding to the chorus… i loved it all. rachel is such a wonderful gem of a thinker/comedian. matt was, of course, right and it probably isn’t great TV for everyone in the audience/made people drop… but it’s also the kind of thing that makes those who love you begin to love you even more. that humanity/silliness/love, watching conflict, seeing people laugh and figure stuff out is really special… so doing these kinds of things is super nice sometimes. that’s a beautiful thing and isn’t something an audience gets to see much. plus, seeing/hearing a legit take of a catchy, funny anti-christmas song was a great payoff. i def played it for friends later… put santa in a yarmulke! i wanna hear the record!
Ben
Loved it. Second half was for the Patreons. Screw the live feed. Everyone did great and Ellie is a true pro.
Jordan Barr
Ellie's dynamic with Tim is refreshing - as Tim noted, she doesn't let him get away with it, and that's fun and humorous!
Jordan Barr
Seconded, massively. I hear what Matt's saying about it not being everyone's cup of tea...but it's some of ours, so do it up, make up silly songs! It's one of my favorite things to do with friends, so of course I'll love watching it unfold in a crew of Tim'e assembling. It's great content, if you ask me.
Kyle Sikorski
This episode just made me wish you did more song writing shows! I loved the last songwriting episode with Brian Robert Jones and Eric Slick! Maybe a few times per year on the Patreon only? Eli's gotta be on all of them 🙏
BITKORN
Also Tim and captain Carlin are angels and can do no wrong. Have a good weekend
BITKORN
I would love to hear a real nasty dj douggpound remix 🤞
Bill Collins
In the end you actually came up with a great tune - I’d love an official mix / release!
Ben Silver
More spud farming please!
Michael Antonelli
Fuck those commenters! They don’t get it!
Andrew Stanger
Good luck filming this weekend! It’ll be sure to bring smiles to all of us. I think you nailed it with Ellie in a Paul Shafferesque role. Would love to see her on more regularly as musical director or even just for quips! Totally elevates the show even further.
EKB
weird second youtube comment; if anything, watching the process made you seem very chill and friendly to work with, even when taking the lead. Didn't get a 'bossy' vibe at all...calling that 'insufferable' is pretty out there.
the Dude
"One half of Tim and Eric duo compares himself to Beatles legend Paul McCartney in unhinged Patreon rant." Thought you were great on the show as facilitator. That's not an easy role and I actually take it as inspiration to be more outspoken and confident when in collaborative situations because someone has to to try and guide the ship now and then.
Troy Candor
This was the Office Hours version of Get Back and I loved it. I would watch this as a stand alone thing: songwriting sessions on a theme once a month or so with different guest musicians.
Allison Hopstad
It was a really fun silly time and LOVED Rachel would love love to see her back. Just happy you’ve created a space for young weirdos and for us to get to know new cool ppl in the world.
Tim Heidecker
Chase it was in the second half therefore a patrons only thing! -t
Tim Heidecker
Well I’m happy to destroy your fun all the other weeks then!
brainblob
Paul? I’d say you’re more like Dylan
Chase
Matt you are right 99 percent of the time but the OHL creatives were loving this episode and we crave more! Maybe save the songwriting for a patreon only thing? I just want more!
brainblob
Uncle Phil is the Geddy Lee of the Beatles
Chase
I didn’t think you were being overbearing Tim. You’re correct: someone has to step up and lead the song to the finish line. I’m also the person who becomes the boss when writing songs with my band but it’s only because I can hear the vision. Please don’t listen to Matt and give us more songwriting episodes! That was so much fun! Do one of these on a weekend so I can join in on the songwriting because that’s my passion!
Old James
Gotta agree with the captain here. Watching people write a song is not compelling television . No shade though, easy enough to not watch a thing you find boring. Psyched for ON CINEMA! ✌❤🍿
Tim Heidecker
Sheesh it was like one little throw away comment from a two hour broadcast. In my defense these kind of in the weeds shows are great for a lot of the audience who really enjoy it but the fact is they don’t have as wide appeal. Which is awesome and what the Patreon support allows us to do. Anyway please remix / add drums / etc! Vic is going to be working up some overdubs too and we’ll figure out a way to encourage more. Unfortunately we don’t have stems since this was all live but it’s a pretty clean take. -Matt
Dan Mulcahy
I think every creative room needs a Paul (or would benefit tremendously from one). You moved things along but were also generous and let everybody shine. Even Rosie had her moment (which you graciously allowed)
Logan Tenney
Tim I need a recording of your Bit Part cover…. been a real Dando head lately and would love to hear it!
Plibt
Oh no, I agree, this was a great episode all around and you were great. I'm not talking specifically about this episode, but about every other single one.
Darell Cowlishaw
I thoroughly enjoyed the show this week. I was smiling and trying to sing along the whole time! Great vibe going there.
Max
Thank you, Cap!
Kayleen Nilsson
Sounds like a Yoko comment.
Tim Heidecker
Gimme a break! Tim asked me if people were enjoying it and I jokingly said “of course not” and then backpedaled. It was like 30 seconds of a two hour show that was free flowing and everybody was having a grand old time. -Matt
Tim Heidecker
we'll work on it... maybe. but to push back on your captain comments - he was actually right, as there WAS a significant dropoff of the live-stream when we got into the weeds of the song. so, anecdotally everyone loved it, but the numbers don't lie... and we're all totally fine with it. As matt said after, yea people dropped off but who cares, it's fun and it makes for a good clip later - and you get a song out of it. P&L , T
Björn Lindgren
I love you
Stu Walker
I loved Rachel in this as well. You could see how much she was enjoying it and Tim’s support of her tempered the “bossy” descriptor overgeneralization.
dan
Captain Carlin defenders rise up!
Stu Walker
One of the best episodes in a long time! Capt. Carlin is dead wrong about no one wanting to see how the songwriting sausage is made. IMO, Ellie needs to be permanent music director. As Tim said (in not so many words) she’s his perfect foil and you can tell he really respects her. Vic was just being Vic which is the magic ingredient of the Holy Trinity. Seeing Rachel who admittedly struggles with depression be inspired and uplifted with creative fire within this collaboration was so f’n cool to watch. About Jake (MJL) hanging back… I got the sense that he confidently knows his way around a song and wanted to have more say in “No Christmas” but wasn’t in a position to due to Tim’s controlling assertiveness, so his guitar flourishes were his way of asserting himself. Tim’s rationale for keeping the momentum going due to time constraints and performing makes a lot of sense, and it can be perceived as being whatever a lesser degree of domineering is (maybe directorial?). Question: will we hear the cut of “No Christmas” with the drum tracks? Can it be edited and mixed and opened up to remixes by members of the OHL Patreon?
Nicholas Lutsko
Phil is Magic Alex
Brian
Matt is Mal Evans
JS
Loved the songwriting second half, kept coming back and rewinding bits I missed when I had to step away. A joy to get to watch the creative process LIVE!
lilula9
the fact that we get to peek at your creative process is already a huge treat. There’s vulnerability there, a bit of stress especially since you all were going against the clock. I appreciate you giving us the breakdown for your Team Leader tendencies, but you didn’t have to; you’re a grizzled experienced artist, we get it ✨. Please refer to my persuasive mini-essay I’ll submit to the Captain later about why I loved this segment so much, but until then, have fun filming! Being able to voice your differences and ~still~ being able to keep working to make great things is a testament to your relationships. magnifique!
Plibt
I thought the whole thing was delightful and a genuinely good tune. Get rid of producer Matt (or just chill) who seems to be always trying to move the show forward and extremely aware of the clock, often destroying funny riffs and overall silliness. Too much "I'm doing a job" vibes.
Blizzard Wuffy
I just like watching you all laugh and have fun in that room together. The dynamic is always so pure regardless of who is there or what is happening. It's real magic!
Elizabeth Kirkland
Matt is *clearly* George Martin
Anima
I made a comment to about he /you would ask for feedback and then do exactly what you wanted. Don’t be sad, just chill bro. A good leader can be over passionate, overbearing. If you weren’t you it would be boring right!?
Steinbeck
I loved the entire episode, and seeing the writing process in real time. Vic was a standout to me - his knowledge of music and creating the melody surprised me. Awesome work by all!
Shane Mendez
Ignore the haters, Tim!
Phil Braun
I’m not yoko
Rob Smith
They rigged up a fake panel so you would have something to fiddle with!! (https://link.tubi.tv/MdNVISDpoFb 42 min.)
Ben Levin
I thought the whole songwriting process in this week's episode was delightful. Especially the part where Rachel asked for notes and everyone assured her she was nailing it. The last take started with you and Rachel in the same shot and it was clear how much you were enjoying her performance. A top Office Hours moment for me.
fake name
Tim is Paul, Doug is John, Vic is George, Matt is Ringo, Phil is Yoko.
westend_td
While the writing process was a tiny, tiny tad boring (for a show/podcast)...the end results were fantastic and worth it! And having Rachel on lead vocals was a great choice. Her vibe totally matched the tone and message of the song. Another great EP!
Hekkmart
Loved it all. ❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥
Steven Meltzer
Love you Tim, the songwriting session was amazing, if you make it to Freeform everyone would be there all day and Ellie was “putting you in your place” when needed haha, the whole thing was inspiring and beautiful! So excited for On Cinema, also can’t wait to see you as a cop, Tim’s Lives Matter.
Fail 2 Thrive
If it helps - I really enjoyed the show and did not feel stopping to work on something took anything away as a viewer. As someone who is not creative- I always enjoy seeing the process that leads to the finished work.
Phil Braun
This guy thinks he’s Paul!!! 😂
Brendan Livingston
I always thought of you more as a Ringo
Tim Heidecker
i didn't want to add that but yea I think that's notable.
Scrud
Worth noting you have years long working relationships with people and appear to make real life friends with OHL guests on a regular basis. Doesn't usually happen with insufferable people 🤷♂️
Jillian Mcleod-Tardiff
The facilitator role isn’t easy and you’re good at it and that’s a good thing! Personally I’m always grateful when someone else takes the lead like that, especially when it brings the group to a really great end result. Loved the song and have had it stuck in my head since ❄️ Happy holidays OHL ☃️ Love ya
dj bvckwoods
Rock it, man! I know you will!
Jim Schroeder
We all can grow, and we all can learn.
Daniel
Tim you're great, there was clearly a lot of love in the room and the finished song is a true earworm