One Direction (hope I don't get DMCA'd for my title)

Gunsmoke Games

You may be wrong about that..... - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

We will begin planning what to do with Injustice next month. I intend to reach out to other notable artists and see what they did when the DMCA hammer fell on them. After we decided on a route we need to find out how much more needs to be completed and form a development schedule that won't affect Patreon - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Yes I will be doing this. I will give everyone a time line on Monday. I want to make sure to have all the files to active Patreons by the end of next week, to give you ample time to cancel your pledge if you decide to . - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Time and resources, we don't plan to not continue fan art. But reduce the amount that is being produced, and move that time towards game development. I will explain in more detail on Monday- SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I will touch on this tomorrow - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

It has been very tiring. Ennetsu I want to promise you that great care is being had with all the funding. We are expecting a slight retraction then an influx moving forward. The only thing that will most likely be put out for next month (pending support) is the website. If we remain neutral we will be in a good spot to get it up and running. I will be posting on Monday regarding the most recent milestone that all our supporters helped achieve. - SmokeShank

ennetsu

I think it would be fair to your patreons if all the money collected before the "Dark side mail" date was (proportionally) used to put efforts in your "before the dark times" projects. Well, let's wait until Monday anyway... Thanks for ansewring every message SmokeShank, the last few days must have be quite tiring for you... ^^;;

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you so much. Injustice will just not have a place on Patreon. We need to plan and execute what we do. Sunset doesn't even have an estimate of the amount of sprites or coding changes that would have to be made. We need so much more info before we can move forward with Injustice (prob a good month of planning) -SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you so much, I just looked at some sketches of what you will see on Tuesday and I'm excited. We have talked and we want to handle Injustice with care. Our biggest fear is making a knee jerk reaction and making a big mistake. 1000hrs+ are in Injustice so it deserves the care and planning we intend to give it. -SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I will address all of this on Monday's post - SmokeShank

Danny Chen

Please email me about the latest update to the game. Dydc007@hotmail.com. Thanks

Saf

I'm looking forward to see what you guys will deliver - I'm definitley sticking around. I just hope when you rebrand Injustice it will be more of a name change. I really love the super hero topic and I don't think I'd enjoy the game the same if Jane Doe and Johanna Bla are the persons of interest. (I don't care so much about their names but the images being used)

Wolfregis

Ah sod it. I'm sticking around with you guys, granted I'm saddened by the fact Injustice isn't being allowed to go forward in its current form but you know what I'm still going to keep my pledge, because I want to see what ideas you crazy and magnificent nut jobs do with the hand you've been dealt.

Robert Gleason

That sucks but what's going to happen to the comics currently in prpgress

John doh

Ok, I don't get it. why would you stop making fan art entirely for now instead of just putting those on your tumblr/hentai foundry page and only publish original content on patreon ?

pguy

I've skimmed through most posts in this and the last one. Is there anyway to supply us with a rar or a zip off all the stuff you took down pictures not so much the game, or even finished and unfinished art assets, because I never thought to save any of it at the time since I thought it would be around for a long time.

Corbo

I have to admit I stopped, but only because I thought that the game was over. Listening to this statement it seems more like a transformation or something new. Sunset is an amazingly talented artist and he deserves support despite this...challenge. I mean if porn can get away with spoof movies with alterations to the characters then there should be nothing to stop you guys from making similar alterations Ex. Sex Suthor, Ultra Woman, etc. Anyways good luck. I'll be lurking to see what the future holds.

Smiling_Jack

Hey now, Pacific Rim isn't even in the same league as The Avatar: The Last Airbender, in terms of awfulness. I'm not saying Pacific Rim is a good movie, but I would bet the most used phrase after watching it was "I don't know what else I was expecting". The whole movie is an excuse to see giant robots fight giant monsters; the rest is just filler. Meanwhile, The Avatar butchers the source so bad it shows like 6 earthbenders working together to move one rock the size of a head. It is literally tragic to watch. I will never let my friend live down the fact that, not only did he watch The Avatar; he pirated it to watch it and got caught.

Gunsmoke Games

Lol what ever you fell you need to. We will be addressing everything Injustice next month internally trying to determine timeframe and everything. It will be completed for sure just under a different skin - SmokeShank

Valicore

Would it be bad to tell you that I have a bug report for 1.5.5? I was going to post it,but the DMCA post kind of made me feel it would be a bad move.

Gunsmoke Games

Lol well hopefully we both can sit on a park bench well into our old age telling stories of this day (feeding pigeons or Canada geese of course). Thank you so much Wanderer - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I think Sunset would be completely lost without your in depth bug reports. Actually we will see how bad the bleeding is this month. Hopefully we will have a website next month where you can post in depth bug reports - SmokeShank

Wanderer

We just had this conversation yesterday and it still stands. Blank canvas, Sexy brush and me with an internet plastic chair, snacks and a imaginary sleeping bag. I am here until you leave or i run out of money :)

Valicore

So things are going to get... interesting now? Well if you guys are still working on games then I will stick around and give bug reports like always.

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you. We want to be as completely transparent as possible. - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

At this point Rogue lust is on hold. I appreciate your honesty and we had expected that some would not like where we go. I want to thank you for all your support - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Damn I got a notice once for Pacific Rim worst movie of all time. Like really bust me for getting your crap movie, you should be happy I watched it lol - SmokeShank

JuanA

You are right. People will remember how you react. I'm here for the long haul. You both are awesome people. :-)

Smiling_Jack

I have to admit, if you got DMCA'd for sharing a title with, insert current most popular boy band, of all things; that would be pretty emasculating. That would almost be as bad as the one time my friend pirated a movie to watch The Avatar (not the blue people one) and got caught.

Jeff

I'm sorry to say but I came here for the fan art and OC does not and never will interest me. It does pain me to say that as out of the 3 people I patron Sunsetrider was my favorite. What I don't get though is why you just don't move the fan art and Injustice to HF? You are only in violation of copyright laws if money is exchanged to products that you do not hold corpyright on and if freely given for no fee or subscribtion it falls under the parody clause and is legally fine. I'm sorry to have to leave you as I've been here from not just day one on par tron but day one of HF but as I said OC in no way hold any interest for me. I do wish you well in your endevor. I will be sticking around till the end of the month though to see where this is going. BTW does this also mean the Rogue comic is dead too?

Gunsmoke Games

Completely understand ans I truley wish the DMCA didn't come at all. We literally informed all of you first (within 12hrs). I was going to inform you all before Sunset, but though he should at least be the second to know (we talked at 1:00am). I have answered nearly every question since then (sorry for the ones missed). But I would like for you to wait for the vision document. Then maybe cancel your pledge after if you don't like the direction. I don't want anyone here who is suspect of us or feel we don't provide you the value you seek . But I will promise you will be back. Thank you for you support it has allowed us to get to where we are today. - SmokeShank

Crowsims

I understand what you're saying. Still...can't a guy hope I haven't seen the last of his non OC work :P Just messin, I'll take what I can get and like it. Thanks :)

DaScoot

I'll agree that I was here for the game and not for the individual art pieces, which were great, but still not what I wanted most. I'm not surprised if an artist wants to vary up what they're working on, but I do consider the more singular focus to be something of a good move.

Just trying to be honest here. So I mean no offense. You guys have talent and skills I do not. But Injustice was a big draw for me to donate. And we where told there would be big content additions at least twice(If I am remembering properly), But those where backed up for game play fix. Now I would have probably enjoyed playing a buggy game with great art more than streamlined game with a bunch of (Will be here soon) place holder images and messages. The original draw/pull to this patreon was the art. Now I know you cannot control what happened and the warning coming when it did, But looking back at the whole experience and wait it kinda of leaves, and I quoting my grandpa here, "a bad taste in my mouth". Now I am willing to hang around maybe a month or two more to see how it plays out. Because I did come here being a fan of the art and the artist.

Gunsmoke Games

Talking to him now and he is already going full throttle -SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you so much - SmokeShank

Tarakis

I am sticking around, before you guys said anything I was going to stay for February at least. I pledged originally because of the game but the art work was just gravy. Keep on Truckin' Baby. CHEERS :)

Chris Simon

I'm staying. This just got interesting. Maybe unlike others, here, I find myself quite thrilled by things to come. I mean, for someone as talented as SR7, working on OCs and with own ideas may be quite liberating. Which will inevitably result in something even more awesome, than the Injustice was, as it needed to be confined within the certain lore and universe, effectively curbing author's imagination. I understand famous characters are a biger lure, but hey ho. :)

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you for all the support you have given us. We really appreciate it. - SmokeShank

Mantel91

The reason I supported sunset ages ago was due to the amazing fanart he did. If that's stopping, I'm probably going to have to stop backing because that's too much money to get mainly updates on a game that I don't care about. Sorry.

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you! I will be selling the idea to Sunset on the re-skinning of Injustice. If anything we could be revisiting that project somewhat soon. - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Our focus is on Patreon. We want a fully functioning platform. Meaning we want everything feeding to one source and that source feeding everything else. Right now artwork most likely will be all game centered. For example pictures Sunset will do will be of characters in the game, concept art, sex scenes, a comic that coincides with events in the game, backgrounds, test characters. Now it's my job in how will I distribute that content. For me I need to make sure everyone is getting a slice and that value is still being had on our Patreon at all tier levels. I feel we under use those other tools like HF, Tumblr, Youtube and really want to expand how we can utilize those. I really have a metric shit ton of ideas I just need to organize them and make sure everything can integrate seamlessly. I don't do art (although I can draw a dick fairly well) so Sunset ultimately is in charge of the kind of content he chooses to create and release, I organize it and get it out the door to you guys. This new model I'm looking at will have Sunset left to his devices while he saves work to our back-up, I then pick what gets released or request something to be tuned up for public display. This way Sunset doesn't have to switch gears constantly and can focus on one type singular project. You will see projects move along faster and with higher quality. Many of the pictures he finished were released literally minutes after they were complete. Also with projects like Injustice, Sunset would spend upwards of 2-3 days going back over his work closing loose ends, fixing small bugs, generally wasting precious resources and time. Now we have a chance to organize development so we are much more efficient, that means more games, more art, more everything! God dammit I rambled on like Sunset does, I need sleep. Thank you for your support -SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I don't want to give away to much as settings and context can be lost. I can say that Sunset wants to add how his comics will interlace/interact with the game. Meaning back stories and what not -SmokeShank

Crowsims

An original games created by you guys, using original artwork done by Sunset. Sounds promising and something I am anxious to see and give my opinion on when I see it. I told you guys I'd be sticking around and I meant it. Ten bucks a month right now isn't going to kill me and whatever help it can give you, it is yours. I am curious though, if Patreon is making you guys take down the WB characters and what not, why not post any future pics on other sites? Like Hentai Foundry or Rule34. I'm sure those sites are still safe...for now. Plus I know you guys were talking about creating your own site. If you posted them there would you still get in trouble? I love the work you guys do and do not want you getting in to trouble, so if going original and making games is the route you need to take, I support it. You guys are great and I love that you take the time to respond to me. I hope things work out and I look forward to seeing what you come up with :)

Blackchip

Damn that rogue comic just doesn't want to be finished.

TurnipFactory

What's the general premise for the OC game? If it's more superheroines I'll most likely be on board. If not i'll wait and see.

CapNJacket

Shame Injustice will have to come waaay later rather than sooner. :( But seeing the potential in that Injustice build and knowing you'll have even more time now, I'm actually encouraged to see what your new project will be come next week. Guess we'll see. :D

Gunsmoke Games

I personally would like to see the planning begin in February for what we will do with Injustice. Right now our focus has to be providing you and any future patrons on this platform content, and start the process of moving over to OC on patreon. - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

We discussed this. Sunset doesn't want it to come out looking shoddy or half planned reaction. If we are going to go that route we would like to plan it out and make sure it looks and plays well. We are not just taking all that work and leaving it on a HD to rot. We plan on using it, but right now we want a project to be running on Patreon. That is all. Oh and Sad Flower I will be pm'ing you and the others who pledged for the skype call next week - SmokeShank

sad flower

Why not reskin injustice injustice and keep the mechanics for another game? Even if it isn't DC based stuff the game still would be good with OC.

Gunsmoke Games

Thanks so much. I will pass the idea to Sunset when we talk today. - SmokeShank

LongDongSilver

I feel so disappointed with Injustice being shelved, because it was the only reason i created a Patreon accound to begin with. The gameplay and art quality is just spot on, but it was really the heroines from my old favourite comics/tv shows, that was pulling my strings. It really felt like "too good to be true" and sadly it was. It will be hard for me to continue supporting, but I'll stick around untill the end of the month to see what plans you come up with. :-)

Gunsmoke Games

Yes but Patreon reserves the right to terminate our page without explanation. Patreon has been really good through all of this - SmokeShank

Thursday

Congratulations on your new focus. While I'm disparaged that Injustice is to be shelved for the time being I am also excited that you will be focusing almost exclusively on game development. I agree with Jay Jester as I felt that the constant new art pieces were a distraction from the development of Injustice. I joined your Patreon mostly for Injustice and the occasional awesome pic that I really dug. I also incredibly enjoyed the comics you would release. My biggest complaint about Injustice and while it was an incredibly interesting game was that Lex never had sex (look Ma I can rhyme). I always figured that that would be a part of later development after the game got going. So as long as your next game doesn't feature a celibate monk that smiles patronizingly at all of the sex going on around him I will be happy. Also I know that this won't be first out of the gate but I would love a game that features a female protagonist that goes after women. Your girl/girl stuff has always been great and I would love to see a game with a lesbian theme sometime in the future. Anyway, I'm sure that your sick of my rambling by now so I will finish with this. I am not canceling my pledge now or for the foreseeable future. I love you guys and wish to support you especially now when you need it the most. And when Injustice is revisited sometime in the future know that I will still be there to support you guys with my wallet and my words. Thanks for being awesome, continue to stay awesome I'm I promise to do the same. ;P

Gunsmoke Games

Just wait for the vison document. What Sunset had described had me excited - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

Injustice is just sleeping. We just want an active project on Patreon. Once we get all sorted we will look into what to do with Injustice - SmokeShank

Blackchip

Aren't the drawings under "fair use" ? I think their concern was the game, cause of the name and characters.

Jay Jester

I must say that I always viewed the constant stream of new art as kind of a distraction to the game development -which is/was 100% the only reason I pledged. So in that regard, this sounds good...but completely scrapping Injustice and starting from scratch...not so good :(

Don't let the Patreon Admin cowards threaten you. Stay strong and keep making great stuff!

Gunsmoke Games

We are not fans of having a patreon blank of activity or content. It would be difficult to manage having new fans come here to pledge then move to another site to get content. We know that there will be a negative growth during this month. We are confident in the content we have planned and hope to not only gain those fans back, but bring in many new fans. -SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I appreciate it. We both understand that there will be a group of people who will fall outside the direction we are going. - SmokeShank

awr74

Sucks that it has come to this, i am in the same boat as some others, i was here exclusively for the art, i rarely have time to enjoy games so i don't pay much attention to them. I will wait and see what your plan is on Wednesday before making my final decision but as it stands now i'd have to remove my pledge. I did not want to just leave without saying something tho.

Aaron

I'll stick around for a bit and see where things go. Also I just noticed you're at 666 patrons at the time of this post :-p. Couldn't you put together your own website to host your fan art/projects. I believe the main problem was just the fact they thought you were making money off their work, but if it's "Free", and not posted Patreon. Ah well, as a fellow programmer/designer I wish you the best in your new project, and look forward to see what is to come. :-)

Gunsmoke Games

Thank you so much. Our excitement is bitter sweet as we know lots of people here will not be happy. -SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I completely agree - SmokeShank

FanMadeMovie

I continue to be impressed with how you are handling this set back. Sad for the hardships, but excited for the future. As for Injustice: What is dead may never die.

Damn Quixote

I'd gladly pay for a completed Rogue Lust comic if it could be handled via PayPal and emailed out for instance, just FYI

Vervalsen

Sounds promising given the restrictions imposed, I'm sure the future OC content will be amazing if given time to grow!

Gunsmoke Games

Wednesday at the latest I will have updates on the distribution of reward tiers. I do want to give people ample time to move or cancel their pledges - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I will be sorting all this out in the weeks to come - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I promise there will be much more then updates. We do apologize - SmokeShank

Animeplayer

Good to hear nothing will go to waste, that's the best news to hear. Just sucks your time line didn't go as planned. But hope that the art that was taken down will return elsewhere once the heat dies down.

Quwykxz

Wow, this is so screwed up...It puts me in almost the same position as Damn Quixote; the video game development was only about 2 or 3 percent of the reason for my being a patron, I was mostly interested in your gorgeous fan art. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that after this month, I will not be able to pay a monthly charge just for what seems to me will become mostly video game development updates...This sucks so bad.....

Gunsmoke Games

I completely understand Jake, I want the tiers to resemble what they do now . Just different content means I need to retool them - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

We talked extensively about options such as this. Injustice is just on the shelf for now - SmokeShank

Jake theberge

Well I've paid my ten dollars for this month, so theirs no point in quiting. Its just that if ican get what I want for a different price, say five dollars for each new game build before the non patreons id like to know before next month so i can adjust things proper. It would be cool if you offer the art from the games as a seperate thing for those who don't like games, make a comic out of it if possible. Cus I went through your games and took screen shots of the girls to look at outside of the game, but its not as high a resolution as your hd images. Just a suggestion.

Lode Schonkeren

Possible solution for injustice is to spread it via another medium (like kimochi). Keep the patreon for other works, and give text updates in the comments section. That way people still know what you are doing, and you are no longer "spreading unauthorized art via patreon". They can't restrict what you talk about, only what art you show/sell through them.

Gunsmoke Games

I completely understand, I just hope if you decide to not be a patron that you continue to follow us else where - Smokeshank

Gunsmoke Games

Patreon warned us that if we upload material that isn't 100% owned by us, we could face permanent removal of our Patreon page - SmokeShank

Quwykxz

So all of Patreon is going strictly OC? I still don't understand why you can't do characters from companies other than Warner Bros.

Damn Quixote

Honestly, the fan art and Rogue Lust were my primary reasons for being a patron and I had zero interest in the gaming side of things, so with those things in permanent limbo I don't think I can continue my support if the sole content focus is the part I had no interest in.

Gunsmoke Games

I want to add that we want to have exclusivity to the development art. Meaning that not all art for the game will be released on other platforms. I just want to iron out how the tiers and distribution will be executed. I'm a value guy so I want you to get great value for your dollar - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

This was Patreons stipulations not ours. Patreon received the DMCA not us unfortunately - SmokeShank

Gunsmoke Games

I have ideas. I want to give anyone ample time to decide if they want to continue on at the same level or on our Patreon at all. Patients is all I ask, I will have all details ironed out at the very latest Wednesday. Just right now what I have down needs more work. -SmokeShank

Quwykxz

I don't really get it; why go strictly OC when only Warner Bros. are being assholes? There's plenty of non-WB characters out there, so just say "Fuck Warner Bros." and move on to them...

Jake theberge

So games only on patreon? Hmm... will you still do normal art for hentai foundry, whatever that may be? I like games, but I'm paying ten dollars to see art I couldn't get on hf. Do you know how the payment system will work in regard to the game stuff yet?